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Offline ieezitin

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Hardening a tap
« on: July 31, 2015, 07:34:27 PM »
I have made a .635 OD x 26TPI tap and now want to harden it but considering the fine thread I have i dont want the edges to spark while heating,  what are the suggestions to stop this, i think its a 12ln steel but not sure.

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Re: Hardening a tap
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2015, 04:05:41 AM »
As I'm sure you realise, the issue is excluding the oxygen while the process progresses without inhibiting the cooling when plunged into the quench of your choice.

I've used stainless steel foil - excellent for the heating but definitely affects the quench. I've used fire clay slurry which works ok but can flake off if you get too impatient heating too fast.

Best I've found is 'Zircon Dip' which is sold by foundry suppliers for coating high temperature ladles and the like. A quite thin dip will survive both parts of the process
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Re: Hardening a tap
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2015, 07:06:54 AM »
Anthony,

Another possibility is to wrap the tap tightly with iron wire. This technique is used in clockmaking. In addition a coating of borax will help to keep oxygen at bay.

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Re: Hardening a tap
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2015, 07:55:19 AM »

 Hi Anthony
                     I use iron wire for the wrap then completely cover with ordinary household soap, well rubbed in.  I heat the mass slowly in a Bunsen burner flame or gas ring depending on the size. This ensures more even heating. Depending on the tap material the tap can be quenched in new engine oil, or water. Oil is less severe than water.  After hardening if the tap is high carbon steel it will need polishing and then tempering to light straw colour. This is best achieved using a small steel lid filled with fine sand, to evenly heat the tap, and carefully heated from beneath until reaching the required colour, then quenched. If you are not experienced in this technique, try it on a similar size nail, as the timing can be tricky.

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Re: Hardening a tap
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2015, 08:15:23 AM »
Anthony,

Another possibility is to wrap the tap tightly with iron wire. This technique is used in clockmaking. In addition a coating of borax will help to keep oxygen at bay.

Phil.

Digressing( a wee bit) But where does one get borax now? I've been looking for some to mix with sugar.
No- it's for killing cockroaches!

Yes, I've been using a white silver solder flux-today, but is it borax?

Cheers


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Re: Hardening a tap
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2015, 10:08:29 AM »
Thank you. Now for the really difficult bit. Airline Security!

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Re: Hardening a tap
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2015, 10:48:56 AM »
Hi Norman,
Try your local gardening centre or farm supply place for Borax
Its used on some vegetables I'm told

HTH
John

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Re: Hardening a tap
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2015, 12:24:28 PM »
Might I apologise to Anthony as I had no intention of stealing his thread. I tried repeatedly for borax to kill Spanish cockroaches but neither Spanish nor British chemists would supply me.


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Re: Hardening a tap
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2015, 06:13:50 PM »
In Canada borax is usually available in larger grocery stores and drug stores.  Also some of the hardware stores may carry it.

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Re: Hardening a tap
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2015, 08:20:30 PM »
Here you go Norman:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BORAX-borax-sodium-tetraborate-500g-ONLY-3-99-/252039647223?hash=item3aaebbcff7

Are we supposed to guess what country you are in ?


It's a laundry soap additive, old as the hills - so now it's green and natural
popular again

I can buy it n the hardware store.

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Re: Hardening a tap
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2015, 09:37:07 PM »
Norman is located in the Duchy of East Fenwick.
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Re: Hardening a tap
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2015, 03:34:12 AM »
Actually 'Fenwick Steads' is real and we drove past it on Wednesday on the way from our cottage to home.

Wish we could afford it!

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Re: Hardening a tap
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2015, 07:16:35 AM »
I really thank you all for the answers.

i will take the advice of wrapping tightly the iron wire and cover with soap and the lid sand thing, i will document this and post my results in this thread

Thanks again to all

Anthony.
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Re: Hardening a tap
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2015, 05:37:20 AM »
Might I apologise to Anthony as I had no intention of stealing his thread. I tried repeatedly for borax to kill Spanish cockroaches but neither Spanish nor British chemists would supply me.

Actually, it's fairly easy to acquire here (Spain).  Rather than the chemist's, have a look in a "droguería". 

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Re: Hardening a tap
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2015, 12:19:35 PM »
Thank you- I'll get my major domo to try to get some. The language is a bit funny- not quite Catalan and certainly not Spanish!

But Merci Mille Fois

Norman