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Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« on: January 03, 2016, 05:03:35 AM »
Gone are the days when an apprentice could be sent to the stores for a can of tartan paint, a long wait or a drill for square holes.

One can now send the apprentice to the stores for a drill for square holes.


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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2016, 05:31:50 AM »
Hammer for glass nails was one in my day  :lol:
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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2016, 05:39:20 AM »
Got to the stores for a ' long rest '
Was the one

So I did came back 5 hours later  :D he never tried it on again , found out later the engineer wanted to talk to me about collage courses he wanted me to do a HNC , but the mentor had to own up what he had done  :doh:


But by ek the wait was long enough to at the best of times store keeper would walk by the counter look at the queue and carry on past

But the apprentiship days were good , then we did from 15 to 21 not the shorter time today
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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2016, 06:23:01 AM »
A bubble for a spirit level backfired when the apprentice came back with one!! I wasn't the prankster, not my kind of fun!!

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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2016, 06:41:00 AM »
A bucket of sparks or some sky hooks were the order of the day.....
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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2016, 06:57:47 AM »
Maids water and a glaziers hammer amonst outhers .
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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2016, 08:18:20 AM »
At sea one could be asked to water the compass rose ...

In the workshop one could be asked (or told) to get a bottle of lengtholine (when bits were cut too short) ...

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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2016, 09:11:17 AM »
One I remember- Boy was sent for a pint of pigeons milk and given a shilling. One hour later he came back empty -handed. Said  " they had no pigeons milk so I bought you an ice-cream, it started melting so I had to eat it. "  True story, Tyneside aprox 1960

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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2016, 02:16:21 PM »
The bosses son at my place was made to spend a few years on the shop floor to learn the jobs before he went into the offices so he could answer customers questions with some degree of knowledge. one of the first things the foreman asked him upon his elevation to the offices was to get a price for 3/4 fallopian tube.  :lol:
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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2016, 02:27:38 PM »
Wot no mention of blue yet    :lol:

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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2016, 03:16:14 PM »
Whats that Stuart, the walk to the boiler house for a bucket of blue steam for marking out. Yes the old ones were the best.

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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2016, 03:55:26 PM »
Or the scraping blue on the micrometer thimble, or welding goggles  :lol:
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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2016, 04:35:16 PM »
Bucket of prop wash
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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2016, 04:44:26 PM »
Tin of elbow grease ,gallon of burnt diesel,foo.foo valve ,

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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2016, 06:52:32 PM »
Key for hydro-static lock.

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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2016, 07:02:46 PM »
Mould streatcher, thought He said Mould changer, went into the basement of the factory and woke up a grumpy mold changer, in the middle of the night. He laughed about it.
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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2016, 12:24:06 PM »
... 'get me the left handed monkey wrench' ... ' use the calibrated G clamp' ... when I was office boy I got caught with the proverbial 'nip down to the welders shop they've got a long stand waiting for you'... an hour later welder sez 'haven't you stood long enough '   :lol: ...   :Doh:   :doh: ... Aaah; the good old days,  :clap:  :headbang:

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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2016, 01:22:47 PM »
Tufnel tipped drill

Engineers blue on a loop !  :clap:http://madmodder.net/Smileys/default/happy0065.gif
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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2016, 03:48:09 PM »
About 1950 my dad had a square hole drill bit for use on wood. It was longer than most, triangular, with a sharp point on each corner. It didn't require a special chuck but would just flex enough to make the square hole. I'm pretty sure that it didn't need a pilot square but could be mistaken. I saw it in use roughing out a mortise but don't remember specifics beyond what I've given here. It was used on a Shopsmith set up as a vertical drill press.

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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2016, 05:19:29 PM »
Enough of blue collar industrial humour!

What about the white collar stuff:

A third party would set up a meeting between two people in Avros and kindley warn each that the other was a bit deaf!

Yes in 1974 we had open plan offices!!
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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2016, 06:30:10 PM »
Will,

Avros and ICL.

Which AVRO? Woodford or Chadderton?

Woodford is (was) about 5m from me and ICL the same distance in the opposite direction. I know people who have worked at both.

The AVRO Heritage Museum has just opened at Woodford. I was lucky enough to get a sneak preview of the museum on the day the Vulcan gave its last fly-past.

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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2016, 04:21:39 AM »
We Apprentices got our own Back on a rather unpopular Shop Steward who had recently migrated to NZ from 'Auld Blighty'.
He happened to drive a Mini, one of the original ones, we happened to have an Alleyway between the Buildings that just happened to be as wide as a Mini is long, and not quite as wide as the diagonal of a Mini.
It was a Friday night, and he was having drinks with Management.
It wasn't there on Monday morning. Don't know how the hell he got it out as we had removed and hidden the Spark Plug Leads from the only Forklift ...

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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2016, 04:55:47 AM »
Hmmm, that sounds very much like what happened in Gothenburg harbour a good many years ago.

One of the dock foremen had an irritating way of parking his car in all the wrong places as he was doing his job supervising loading/unloading. Of course that did not meet well with the dock personnel so one day he seemed to have lost his car!  :bugeye:
What had happened was that the dock personnel finally got fed up and lifted his car up on top of a two-container stack, ...

... and it was only by truthfully swear the he would park the car appropriately from that moment on that he would get his car back - dock cranes are useful at times.

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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2016, 09:32:36 PM »
"Go to the tool crib and get me a spool of pipe thread"

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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2016, 12:42:17 PM »
Many years ago I was working on a major US Government project.  A (30 year old) "kid" shows up with 100% brand spanking new tools and all new tool chests who did not know the difference between metric and Imperial measure.  [According to his paperwork he was a "Master Mechanic."]  So, over the first couple of days we sent him on "runs" for: prop wash, a vapor lock key, and a muffler bearing puller -- and he never caught on!  He drover more than 300 miles (in his own car at his own expense) and, whichever depot he got to would explain that their last "stock" of whatever item had just been pulled.  It turned out that he was a Congressman's kid and, going home for the weekend, his dad got him "transferred" to another project...

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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2016, 01:28:10 PM »
Will,

Avros and ICL.

Which AVRO? Woodford or Chadderton?

Woodford is (was) about 5m from me and ICL the same distance in the opposite direction. I know people who have worked at both.

The AVRO Heritage Museum has just opened at Woodford. I was lucky enough to get a sneak preview of the museum on the day the Vulcan gave its last fly-past.

Phil.
Hi Phil,

Avro's (1973 to 1977) was in Chadderton, but as I worked on the Woodford DO's time sheets system I used to get across town now and again. Of course the best time was the day before the airshow! Used to blag a ride on the worksd mini-bus to Woodford, have a quick meeting and then watch the Battle of Britain flight flying in and also the foreign teams who didn't know the field doing their rehersalls. And for this I got paid!

ICL (aka Buttlins with computers) was in West Gorton (home of ICL mainframes) from 1977 to 1991!

Btw: My ML7 came out of Woodford (legit I am assured !!)

There was one upstairs gallery in Chadd that had a line of Super 7s but was not part of the training school!
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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2016, 01:45:42 PM »
"ICL (aka Buttlins with computers) was in West Gorton (home of ICL mainframes) from 1977 to 1991!"

And prior to that it was Ferranti West Gorton - the early ICL machines were a different physical construction of the logic of Ferranti Argus machines.

The ICL 1900 shares the same function set and op code format  (XFMN)as the Argus 500
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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2016, 02:15:34 PM »

And prior to that it was Ferranti West Gorton - the early ICL machines were a different physical construction of the logic of Ferranti Argus machines.


Ferranti - another huge local company that all but disappeared. Just Googling I see that Sebastian de Ferranti died in October 2015:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11939157/Sebastian-de-Ferranti-businessman-obituary.html

Other big local companies either gone or almost gone: Cravens, Avro's, Simon Carves, Mirrlees, Fairey's.

All these took on large numbers of apprentices to be subjected to untold cruelty!

I did a student apprenticeship and I wasn't treated too badly. (Or, if I was, I was too thick to realise!)

Phil.
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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2016, 03:35:54 PM »
A bucket of sparks or some sky hooks were the order of the day.....

John,

An old post I know but I was at Trafford Park, Manchester the other day and look what they've got...



A mythical Sky Hook.

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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2016, 06:00:19 PM »
Thats a canny sky hook Phil  :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2016, 07:24:04 PM »
One I remember- Boy was sent for a pint of pigeons milk and given a shilling. One hour later he came back empty -handed. Said  " they had no pigeons milk so I bought you an ice-cream, it started melting so I had to eat it. "  True story, Tyneside aprox 1960

tyneside hey ,where i grew up for a while , my old man did his marine engineer time at smiths docks .the old man had tons of stories from the ship yard , like dropping candle wax from high up and yelling lookout below with everyone ducking for cover thinking it was snot .

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Re: Cruelty to Apprentices and Drills for Square Holes
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2017, 05:11:31 AM »
Hi guys, I know this topic is little used now however I thought I would add my few pence worth, when I started my apprenticeship as a turner in 1960, a slightly less enlightened era than today, all the time honoured pranks were in play, tins of sparks for the grinder, balls of Whitworth thread etc, there were also local variations such as sending the hapless youth to enquire of the young ladies in the typing pool if they had any vices (swearing, spitting & drunkeness) to name but a few, in the days when I could still blush I could not believe some of the industrial language that  poured from their ruby red lips, causing me to create the concept of a person with the face of an Angel & the mouth of an Italian Truck Driver! Another wizard wheeze was stitching a someones overalls to a nearby weldmesh fence using the florists wire supplied for attaching parcel labels to individual items. Eventually & sadly, by the time we turned 18 the combined forces of money, girls & motorbikes turned us away from such youthful pursuits, however this original grounding enabled me to produce some spectacular ripostes to the efforts of those who were not highly trained pranksters throughout the remaining 54 years of my working life, realistic snakes exploding out of innocuous looking tins of sweets, nuts or even barrier cream always a favourite. However I must end now with my own slam dunk, useful things to do with Engineers Blue, yes I know that some (boring) people use it scraping flat surfaces & checking the fit of taper gauges but as machines acquire ever more push buttons & overcentre latches the are begging to be adorned with it, the pinnacle however is to get some on a rag or paper towel & firmly draw it along the full length of the victims work bootlaces, has been known to take days to track down the source, happy days, in fact retirement seems positively tranquil in comparison. Cheers A.Wellwisher (my Secret Identity for all those years)