Author Topic: How to Fix Noisy Kopp Variator Cones  (Read 3122 times)

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How to Fix Noisy Kopp Variator Cones
« on: January 12, 2016, 04:50:43 AM »
Hi All

I recently aquired a Colchester Chipmaster, it had a very noisy variator. I got quoted a small fortune to have it refurbished, so i fitted a VFD and left it at that. Or so i thought.....
Curiosity got the better of me and I called in a friend to help me strip it so we can both see how it worked.
 So opening up the cover plates we found most things in order, except for the "drive cones" that had a severe groove with a rough surface on the running faces. .
Next up was the balls, which were actually in great shape, the photos look a lot worse than the actual surface
The Cover plates and outer bearing race was also in very good nick!
I think this Variator was ran for a bit with a low oil level :hammer: Thats why everything except the drive cones is still in very good condition :doh: Well, it helped me get the machine at a good deal

Next we made a arbor to mount the drivecones on with a push on fit and used the tailstock with a hollow centre to keep the drivecone on the arbor.
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Re: How to Fix Kopp Variator Cones
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2016, 04:55:31 AM »
We ran a file over one of the unimportant surfaces and saw that the file slides without leaving a mark so we decided to try face it with a hard carbide tip, it thrashed the carbide immediately  :jaw:  Very hard stuff indeed!!


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Re: How to Fix Kopp Variator Cones
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2016, 05:08:07 AM »
I had a ceramic/porcelain tip that i scrounged from a supplier as a sample a while back and decided to give it a go. as you can see from the  video it cuts spectacularly with lots of fireworks!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J51912FCKA8
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Re: How to Fix Noisy Kopp Variator Cones
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2016, 06:17:32 AM »
After facing the drive cones they looked very good, almost mirror finish!
So we cleaned out and reassembled the whole lot.
 Now it is running very quiet , much quieter than the lathe powering it  :ddb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqsG3SJPvns

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Re: How to Fix Noisy Kopp Variator Cones
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2016, 08:35:07 AM »
A fine job indeed  :thumbup:

It would be interesting to find out what steel they are made from - high manganese I suspect  :coffee:
Andrew Mawson
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Re: How to Fix Noisy Kopp Variator Cones
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2016, 02:23:45 PM »
Thanks Awemawson. I fitted the variator tonight, man that thing is heavy and cumbersome! She is running fairly quiet, no rough whining and banging anymore! Its actually very nice to have all that torque in the slow speeds!