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New Tractor Shed
« on: November 24, 2016, 09:52:10 AM »
On Tuesday afternoon (22/11/2017)  I received an eMail from the local Planning Department giving the go ahead for my new Tractor Shed.

I had deposited a '28 day Notice' with them which if you farm agricultural land over 5 hectares effectively gives them an opportunity to raise objections, but if there are none you can go ahead. However the way the system actually works is that they send out their consultant, who makes you jump through a few hoops and then he decides if he feels the building is 'reasonably needed for agriculture'

When they've done all this then they decide if the scheme falls in the criteria for permitted development or if you need to put in for full planning permission. Obviously the former is much easier as they only demand a 'site plan' roughly locating the building, rather than full detailed drawings as needed for planning permission.

One criteria is the the building development total area is less than 465 sq metres which this easily is, but one locally was turned down  as the hard standing and access track together with the building totalled more than that.

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Re: New Tractor Shed
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2016, 10:01:09 AM »
So what is the building to be :scratch:

45 foot long, 40 foot wide, 12 foot eaves and a 15 degree pitched roof. 15 foot wide by almost 15 foot high electrically operated roller shutter with a pedestrian door beside it.

Walls will be dark green zintec profiled sheeting with the roof in fibre re-inforced 'big 6' corrugated sheets with fibreglass roof lights. The bottom 500 mm of the walls will be pre-stressed concrete panels to keep the sheets out of the ground and give something to form a 150 mm concrete floor up to.

Currently the site has a huge water tank and a few shrubby trees on it that will have to go, and as you can see from the pictures, there is a bit of ground to be made up to form a base to lay a slab on

In anticipation of getting the go ahead I've been in discussions with a local contractor who has modified buildings for me before. Nowadays steel frame buildings have to be 'CE Certified' or you can't insure them, so this effectively rules out what he was previously doing ie building them from scratch from I beams etc. Now he orders a complete building, pre-made that is delivered as a kit to site, and he does the ground works and erects it. Good old EU squashing the little man :(

He may be able to put a few days in before Christmas to start breaking up the tank and it's base, meanwhile I need to cut down that hawthorn bush that is really a small tree  :zap:

The sooner we can get some fill in to make up the levels the better, so it can be settling for a few months before work starts in earnest in the spring.

..... bankruptcy here we come  :bugeye:
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Re: New Tractor Shed
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2016, 11:13:47 AM »
Andrew,

"Nowadays steel frame buildings have to be 'CE Certified' or you can't insure them," That's insurance, not EU! Here in France, you can still do what you like!

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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2016, 11:27:20 AM »
No Matthew - it's an EU harmonisation thing

http://www.steelconstruction.info/CE_marking

And the Insurers always insist on things 'conforming' If this isn't happening in France then they obviously are ignoring the rules - surely not :scratch:
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2016, 12:34:47 PM »
Andrew,

I stand corrected, although, I am still free to do what I like in my own place in terms of construction and Electrical installations. You have a lot of regs that are much harsher in the UK than her in France.

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Re: New Tractor Shed
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2016, 01:07:24 PM »
Nowadays steel frame buildings have to be 'CE Certified' or you can't insure them, so this effectively rules out what he was previously doing ie building them from scratch from I beams etc. Now he orders a complete building, pre-made that is delivered as a kit to site, and he does the ground works and erects it. Good old EU squashing the little man :(

Can't you wait a couple of years? Maybe the CE mark requirement will just go away......?  :scratch: :palm:
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Re: New Tractor Shed
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2016, 01:51:24 PM »
"12 foot eaves and a 15 degree pitched roof. 15 foot wide by almost 15 foot high electrically operated roller shutter".

Looking forward to seeing how you make that fit!

Good news on the go-ahead.

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Re: New Tractor Shed
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2016, 02:01:37 PM »
"12 foot eaves and a 15 degree pitched roof. 15 foot wide by almost 15 foot high electrically operated roller shutter".

Looking forward to seeing how you make that fit!

Good news on the go-ahead.

Andrew did say the shed is to be 40 feet wide

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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2016, 02:09:00 PM »
As long as the door is tall enough to get the ready-mix lorry in, he'll be fine.  :wave:
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Re: New Tractor Shed
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2016, 02:10:59 PM »
Assuming main roller shutter door is central - which is what is intended - with the Apex of the roof being about 17 foot 4 inches a 15 foot door theoretically fits, but in practice with the actual positioning  of steels to support it the clearance under the fully raised door will be about 13 foot 6" due to the roll of the shutter blind being above
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Re: New Tractor Shed
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2016, 02:51:47 PM »
     You're putting the shutter in the gable end, aren't you.
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Re: New Tractor Shed
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2016, 02:58:10 PM »
Oh yes.

Weather forecast OK for tomorrow so I may be able to make a start clearing the site. I've stacked a whole load of 6" twin wall 6 metre pipes down the side of the tank - need to find somewhere else to hide them before that Hawthorn tree is felled and crushes them.
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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2016, 05:43:12 PM »
Ok Andrew fess up ,is the new building really for tractors ,or for more machines ,http://madmodder.net/Smileys/default/side2side.gif

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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2016, 08:09:36 PM »
Will this "tractor shed"benefit the pigs in any way??

I do hope so!
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Re: New Tractor Shed
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2016, 02:37:26 AM »
No chaps, despite your suspicions, it is genuinely for storing tractors, jcb's, flail mowers and the like. I have a farm yard of this sort of stuff that sits out in all weathers slowly dissolving

The idea is that anything that goes in there will be on wheels or easily moveable so it can be cleared out completely with ease, as it'll make a grand venue for a barn dance !

As for the pigs Will, I'm sure that they'll appreciate a nice clean dry stock trailer when the need arises for them to travel  :clap:
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Re: New Tractor Shed
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2016, 04:33:42 AM »
So no point in hanging around - may as well crack on  :thumbup:

Once the livestock were sorted, I pulled out my cache of pipes and re-located them. I think that they are actually intended as large electrical ducts. They were given to me a few years ago by a friend who had to give up his farm and are too good to throw away, but I've only used short bits over the years :scratch:

Then I set too with the Hawthorn tree. Flipping awkward thing to fell - being a hugely over grown hedge shrub is has many limbs all emerging at just above ground level, with all their tops inter-tangled.

Got the first major limb down and the tops dragged away, so now in for breakfast and let the blood get back into my legs  :bugeye:

I'll venture back out once the post man has been
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Re: New Tractor Shed
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2016, 09:58:41 AM »
So back to it after breakfast. Eventually got the lot down, but there was so much hanging over the pig sty's it was impossible to avoid dropping some on their tiled roofs, despite pulling the limbs with a ratchet strap whilst cutting. Never the less minimal damage done - a couple of tiles I think of which I have spares.

Taking the Alder down was a breeze by comparison as i had room to drop it over the tank. Lots of good logs to cut from those limbs and a lot of clearing up to do,  but that will have to await until tomorrow as I'm knackered  :bugeye:
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« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2016, 11:45:13 AM »
 Andrew,

I'm glad for you that you got your Planning Consent.  It looks from the photos as if you're 'making space while the sun shines', rather than hay!

I remember reading, years ago, an account in Ideal Home Magazine about a couple renovating a derelict Scottish castle (as you do!).  Apparently the building was well infested with woodworm.  The guy wrote that he obtained a lot of alder logs and distributed them around and throughout the building.  He reckoned that alder is the wood boring beatle's timber of choice and so, over a period (and a few breeding cycles), the woodworm migrated from his structural timbers into the alder.  When this process was complete, he simply burned the alder logs! 
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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2016, 07:04:09 PM »
If you haven't already planned for it it would make sense to prepare one section of the concrete floor over insulation so that one day if needed it can be partitioned off as a workshop without the base being a terrible heat sink.

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Re: New Tractor Shed
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2016, 03:27:11 AM »
Bee, nice suggestion but just across the yard from where this shed will be I have about 1000 sq foot dedicated workshop with 100 mm insulation under the slab and on the walls and ceiling and its heated by fan assisted radiators off it own boiler.
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Re: New Tractor Shed
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2016, 10:06:49 AM »
So another day of playing with a chainsaw and I've managed to clear away all the tops into one pile, and pull out anything worth logging, and chopped it into suitable lengths for the log burner  :thumbup:

Having now been able to get close to the pig sty roof and inspect the damage I'm pleased to see that it is minimal - just two broken tiles.

I've left the stumps with a fair bit 'sticking out' as this will give me more leverage with the JCB 803 when the time comes to dig them out. Just need to work out how / where / when to burn that huge pile of tops - certainly moving them again would be a major task, however they are sitting on a decent lawn which it'd be nice to preserve. Oh why did I sell my tractor mounted shredder  :bang:
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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2016, 02:40:26 PM »
Now if you leave the tops a while Andrew, given the state of genetic engineering and the bioengineering lobby they might get picked up by a few pterodactyls for nesting purposes? :D

More seriously could they not be dragged into use as hedging "hole fillers" . We have several "holes " in hedges locally where amateur rally drivers have found they're not as good at cornering as they think.  :doh:

You might find a local wood turning group are interested in the stumps once they're out?

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Re: New Tractor Shed
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2016, 03:10:55 PM »
Current plan is to have a bonfire in the old tank to lose the tops. It'll have to be in the corner where currently there is an automatic filling water trough used when I've had pigs in there. It was due to be removed before the tank is broken up, but I plan to dig down to it's feeder pipe tomorrow morning, isolate it and pull the trough out.

(Has to be in this corner to keep flames away from other trees)
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« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2016, 04:45:48 PM »
This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejHT9olA_Uo

might give you some ideas on how to deal with the stumps. Warning! The whole story is a) true, and b) very funny, worth watching to the end  :lol:
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Re: New Tractor Shed
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2016, 04:45:56 AM »
Very good Ade, Blaster Bates is much missed  :thumbup:

I wasn't looking forward to digging out the water feed to the trough as it's a mixture of hard core and earth on top of it, so I thought best get on with it - these things are best just faced up to.

In the event it was a doodle - once I'd got down low enough to expose a bit of blue pipe, careful trowelling got it sufficiently laid bare to cap it with a blanking plug.

(If you look at the picture of it exposed, slightly lower is a duct carrying 415v 3 phase, so careful work was needed)

Needless to say the bolts holding the trough in were thoroughly rusted after a few years underground, but succumbed to an angle grinder and cold chisel allowing me to recover the trough and clear the site for the bonfire  .

So the job was finished by 09:30 which will give me time to shunt a few things around in the yard so I can get at the site better, before I have to take the wife out for her Sunday Roast Beef and Yorkshire Puds
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Re: New Tractor Shed
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2016, 06:24:00 AM »
So having moved two tractors (one with grass flail, one with hedge flail, neither of which wanted to start  :bang: ) and got out the Fork Lift to shift a stillage of logs, a lamb weighing crate, a set of Ford 4000 foreloader arms, a fertiliser spreader and a 3 point linkage set of forks at least the 'dog can see the rabbit' and I can get the JCB 803 in to clear up a bit and hoyck out those stumps.
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« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2016, 06:31:25 AM »
That reminds me of one of my work colleagues: His friend had this dirty great oak stump in the middle of his "lawn". He couldn't be bothered to dig it out so they hatched a plan that also had the advantage of getting rid of some old bags of fertiliser. Holes dug, fertiliser in position they didn't expect it to do much..... So they withdrew a reasonable distance and let it off......

He told me first the earth moved then they heard the bang of the fertiliser: The stump flew a good forty foot in the air and landed with a thump not far from where they were laying. Needless to say they were still laying there recovering from the shock when the police turned up.

The police plied them with cuppas and listened to the story all the time trying to keep straight faces. In the end they told them : " Now lads you won't be doing that again will you" before they could no longer control themselves and broken down is fits of the giggles

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« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2016, 10:12:53 AM »
Rather a frustrating day today - objective was to dig out those two tree stumps, and if time permitted start burning the tops.

Pulling the Alder out was dead easy - shallow rooted and no match for the JCB 803, however the Hawthorn was a different matter altogether  :bang:

Started digging round it, found what I think are all the side roots, chopped them off with an axe or in some cases with a hand saw - heaved and pushed with the digger to no avail. Dug even deeper all round, found no more roots, and still it wouldn't come.

Dug out the Tirfor winch, using the tank as a ground anchor - giving it a good 3 ton pull no movement, pulling with the digger while winching - no movement  :bang:

So I thought I'd sleep on the problem and set too burning the tops. Usual problem with green tops - keeping a heart in the fire. Had to re-light twice. So far about half the pile has reached the fire but not yet all of that is actually burnt.

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« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2016, 12:33:55 PM »
So the day got somewhat better - when I'd managed to shove enough of the tops on the bonfire to make a passageway for the digger, I could use it to compact the branches eliminating the issue with the heart of the fire burning away to an open void.

At this stage things at last began to happen at a reasonable pace, and I was able to clear the pile of tops with some hope that they will all be ash by morning. I've done a couple of 'sides to middle' rounds with a pitch fork, so hopefully not much will be left by morning.


..... by heck that was a hard day ... a pair of Ibuprofen tablets washed down by a couple of cans of Old Specked Hen might improve things  :lol:

(pictures a bit grainy as it was pitch black when I'd finished)
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« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2016, 01:59:34 PM »
I did wonder how you were going to get on with those roots. I had a bit of a problem with some poplars. Started with a 7 ton digger, then had to hire a 13 tonner.
Even the latter would barely carry them to my roadway, after they had been hiked out.
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« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2016, 07:35:11 PM »
...hope that they will all be ash by morning

Hmm, from Hawthorne to Ash, transmutation of wood?  :lol:
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« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2016, 10:37:02 PM »
Wow Andrew... I think I need an ibuprofen just from seeing the work you did. Man, that is quite a bit!

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« Reply #32 on: November 29, 2016, 09:04:53 AM »
 :clap: She's OUT  :clap:

After a huge struggle, the Hawthorn (Hawthorne?) root IS OUT - hoo blooming ray. Poor old Clive the gardener arrived this morning expecting to rake up leaves and got roped in as 'banksman'. This is a big improvement having a 'man on the ground' as when I was wiggling it with the digger, he could spot soil movement revealing where the remaining roots were.

It finally took the Tirfor pulling at the same time as the JCB 803 to tear out the remaining, albeit smaller, roots under the main root ball. Having dragged it onto 'dry land' it was too heavy for the digger to pick up before I cut off the remaining 'firewood logs' to lighten it. After this I could just pick it up sandwiched between the dozer blade and the bucket, and trundle it off into a corner of the field where it can stay until I decide what to do with it.

To give some scale to this animal, the hurdles that are beside it in the last couple of pictures are 6 foot long - the pictures of the hole don't do justice to it's size  :bugeye:

Now I just need to fix the chain saw (anti vibration mounts collapsed) and fix the Tirfor (release cable lever doesn't do what is says on the box) and I can collapse in front of a fire for the rest of the day  :ddb:
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« Reply #33 on: November 29, 2016, 09:13:01 AM »
There are bowl turners who would probably die for a piece of root like that! I don't know how good hawthorn is to turn, but it must be interesting in there! Dried a bit, pressure washed and sawn up could make somebody very happ!

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« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2016, 10:13:00 AM »
... and they'd be very welcome to it if they come and sort it out for themselves  :thumbup:
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« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2016, 07:04:45 PM »
For such a narly old root bole some woodturners might even pay you for it!

Trimmed of all the little roots and stones and then sliced virtically it would make a dinning table or two worth a few grand!
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« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2016, 04:52:01 AM »
Hi there, Andrew,
Glad to see you're getting to the root of your problem!   :lol:   :ddb:   :lol:   :ddb:   :lol:   :ddb: 

 :offtopic:  But here are my wishes to you for a Happy St. Andrew's Day.   :beer:   :beer:   :beer: 
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Re: New Tractor Shed
« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2016, 07:12:53 AM »
Thanks Pete - well today's task - start unbolting the tank.

Originally, they have laid a slab, bolted 20 four foot square 1/4" thick pressed panels together, then laid concrete inside the tank and a flaunching round the outside, to make it water proof. Plan is to unbolt as many of the fixings as possible, then Darren the contractor will come in with his big digger and pecker, and break up the concrete and pull the panels out of the mess. Slight problem - some of the bolts are buried in the concrete so will probably have to be cut off with oxy-acetylene, but I want to unbolt as many as possible first to save the cost of the gas.

I have a humungous 1" drive air impact wrench made for the job. These are 5/8" Whitworth bolts that have been in situ outside since the 1960's, so the threads are pretty rusty. So having fed the pigs the important thing is to get the road compressor started, as it's minus 7 Deg C here  :bugeye:

I'd expected to have to leave it on charge over breakfast, but amazingly it started off it's internal battery (which I'd rejected from my Discovery two years ago!)   :ddb: :ddb:

So a bit of manoeuvring reversing it into position set up the hoses, connected the air impact wrench, stuck it on a nut, pulled the trigger - NOTHING - no rotation, just air passing straight through the tool  :bang: A few choice words and I dug out my baby 1/2" air impact wrench, but it just hasn't got the guts for the job.

OK take a break and investigate the 1" drive wrench.

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« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2016, 07:16:58 AM »
Obviously the air motor isn't turning, could just be frozen grease in the bearings as it is stored in an unheated workshop. I pulled the handle end off and exposed the bearing - sure the grease was stiff but not that stiff. Put it back together and tried to pull off the impact end. Four cap screws with 6 mm allen sockets - three came off fine but undoing the fourth one my allen wrench sheared off leaving a stub in the hex flush with the top  :bang:

So a bit of improvisation - I drilled through the broken bit with a cobalt drill (I love cobalt drills) and screwed a self tapping screw in that acted as an extractor and pushed the stub out - hooray  :clap:

OK so now the impact end is exposed - the rotor that holds the weights that give the impact was seized solid - however grasping it and turning it firmly freed it off - could have been stiff grease, or possibly a bit of rust (though non apparent) but now it's turning freely so shove it all back together and get on with things. :ddb:
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« Reply #39 on: November 30, 2016, 07:24:31 AM »
Now those bolts don't stand a chance - however if ever there was a case for a 'tool balancer' this is one - that impact gun is unbelievably heavy, and really needs two hands but how do you hold the spanner on the other side  :scratch:

Most bolts came out easily, but with some at the top and bottom the socket just spun - then it dawned on me - they probably loosely bolted the panels together at the top and bottom, then went round stuffing bolts in the holes. They must have used a different box of bolts for these two operations - the hex sizes are different  :bang:

So having taken out about 45 bolts I'm taking a break for lunch and seeking out a smaller socket. Trouble is the 1" to 3/4" to 1/2" conversions for the square drive - not sure what I have that will fit - a job for after lunch.
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« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2016, 06:30:03 PM »
Andrew

hope by now you've gathered in all your nuts? :lol:

Given the weather here ( 10c on Christmas day ???) I assume you have made progress and are contemplating a crater?? I'll just be glad of some relaxation time in January. People keep being ill , it's damn inconvenient at times. Still not in on duty Christmas, Boxing or New Years day this year ( woopie!).

I take my hat off to your enthusiasm and skill in this :beer:.

 Hope the piggies had a good Christmas? The ones that assisted my turkey were excellent but, as I'm in Thirsk, I doubt they're yours?

Have a successful 2017 and keep us updated.

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« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2016, 07:22:08 PM »
There are bowl turners who would probably die for a piece of root like that! I don't know how good hawthorn is to turn, but it must be interesting in there! Dried a bit, pressure washed and sawn up could make somebody very happ!

All the best, Matthew.

If they have to collect it and do some work it will still be there in 10 years time.

Andrew,
Drill three series of  holes, one in each stump with a forstner bit and open them out., you want about 4 -5" diameter and same deep.
Keep tipping a bit of red diesel in for a couple of months and then fire it up.

Got rid of a big fir root that way.
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« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2016, 02:57:06 AM »
Thanks Ian and John. Yes stumps are out leaving a massive crater, tank panels are largely unbolted (anyone want a bucket of 5/8 UNC bolts / nuts about 1 1/2 inches long - must be nearly 20 kgs)

Just waiting for Darren the shed builder to get his act together.

Things slightly complicated this end, what with Christmas, sons wedding on the 30th, New Year, and wife flying out to Texas for a couple of weeks to stay with other son, and me left with quite a bit of animal care. I don't see much being done until the second half of January.
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« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2016, 04:36:43 PM »
Andrew

hope wedding goes well. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Wife away for couple of weeks- I sense a toolinvesting opportunity here...... :D

Have a successful 2017 and hope all goes well for tomorrow :med:

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« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2016, 04:16:22 AM »

Wife away for couple of weeks- I sense a toolinvesting opportunity here...... :D

Careful you'll get caught  :bugeye:

She may not spot the extra items in the shed but if she is responsible for the accounts :wack: 

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« Reply #45 on: December 30, 2016, 05:23:18 PM »
I'd try " But Honey it is for the greater good! "

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« Reply #46 on: December 31, 2016, 06:34:52 PM »
I'd try paying cash !!! :D :D

Happy New Year one and all. :beer:

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« Reply #47 on: January 01, 2017, 03:45:09 AM »
I've never had a problem 'importing' things for the workshop. She barely notices what I'm doing and certainly hasn't a clue about my 'projects'. It often makes me smile to think that the Madmodders around the world know what I'm doing, but not 'Er Indoors' !

Happy New Year everyone.
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