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Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« on: June 12, 2009, 03:05:51 PM »
Hi Chaps

The problemo:- I want to ba able to mount my lathe chuck straight onto my RT with a job still in it and retain concentricity. My lathe is one of the many Chinese lathes knocking about where the chuck is held on with three bolts into the back, so you have a difficulty clamping it to your RT.

OK so this is the idea, my RT has an M2 taper up the middle, use a blank M2 arbour with a blank chuck mounting plate that I got from Arc Ero trade, turn the M2 arbour for a nice fit on the plate glue and screw the two together, set it up in the lathe and turn a register on it for the chuck drill three holes in it to bolt the chuck down with.

It will stand up from the base of the RT so you can get in and screw the bolts into the back of the chuck.

C o C probably explains this better. 




These are the bits



And this is what it will look like in reality it will stand about an inch closer to the RT when its all fitted together.



It'll be a few days before I start to cut metal so we'll see how it goes

Have fun

Stew



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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2009, 03:59:07 PM »
Started to cut metal tonight whilst the boss was busey making chocloate refrigerator cake for her class.

When I start to turn the mandrell proper I want to leave it set up until its finished so I spent some time preping other bits.

First part was the clamp washer this was made from some 3mm plate rough cut then friction turned to size.





First time I'd tried this it worked a treat  :thumbup:

Put a 60 deg countersink in the midle.



Next job counter bore the adaptor plate to take the washer, job set up true in big four jaw.



Next bit seting the M2 morse taper in my M3 head stock morse taper, this was done with a M3 to M2 adaptor sleeve with the back cut off so that a draw bar can screw into the M2 morse taper. the one I used was made by John he simply cut the back end off an ordianary sleeve but you can buy them from Arc Ero.

This is how the bits go



As the plate has to stand away from the table so that I can get my fingers in to screw the bolts in, I had a check with a vice to see how much finger room I needed.



About one inch should do it.

Marked the one inch finger room from base of RT on the M2 mandrel



Then rough turned the register on the mandrel 1/2 mm big, then drill and tapped the end M6



Then finshed turn it for a nice push fit on the adaptor plate.



With high strength loctite assembled the plate to the mandrell, pushed it on with the tail stop.



Just out of interst checked the run out on the OD of the plate 0.02mm thats good  :thumbup:



That all for know let the old loctite do its curring thing overnight.

Have fun

Stew




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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2009, 04:00:10 PM »
Looking good Stew. Didn't John do something along this lines?

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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2009, 04:04:32 PM »
Eric

Yes but John uses a Myford screw thread chucks, with an adaptor, I wanted something I could use my existing Chinese type fixing chucks on.

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Stew
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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2009, 04:07:55 PM »
Many ways to skin a cat Stew, yours is coming along great.

John

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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2009, 04:27:37 PM »
Eric

Yes but John uses a Myford screw thread chucks, with an adaptor, I wanted something I could use my existing Chinese type fixing chucks on.

Cheers

Stew

I was close  :smart:

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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2009, 08:09:06 PM »
Looking good there Stew,

Do you need the finger space? Can't you mount the chuck to the plate and then the plate to the RT with the MT2?

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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2009, 01:14:09 AM »
Looking good there Stew,

Do you need the finger space? Can't you mount the chuck to the plate and then the plate to the RT with the MT2?

 :scratch:

Darn it never thought of that  :doh:

That never occurred to me Darren, I was thinking RT bolted on table, bolt chuck to RT, not:- bolt chuck to RT bolt assembly to table, that certainly would work.

Stew

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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2009, 02:44:50 AM »
That is why it is always better to ask if there are any other ideas first Stew.

Still, you have the job basically done now, so why worry about it.


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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2009, 03:06:27 AM »
Thinking about it the way I've gone does give me the option to take chuck from RT mount on lathe, machine a feature, and return it to the RT and still maintain concentricity/position, but when I would use that facility I don't know  :scratch:. but its there.

I'm happy with what I've got  :D

Stew

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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2009, 03:26:42 AM »
I'm happy with what I've got  :D

Stew

"Who could ask for anything more"........  :thumbup:

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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2009, 01:28:29 AM »
Ok the loctite as done its thing and curred, so skim up the 72mm diameter register for the chuck.



Then fix it on the RT with a cap screw up the back end as a draw bar, the head of the cap screw needed thining so it wouldn't stick out of the back of the RT, clocked the plate up to bring it on the quill centre line, indexed the table over 42mm to give a pitch circle diameter of 84mm and drilled the fixing holes 8.5 mm dia (wiggle room for the M8 bolts) using the index plate to get the three hole positions.



Tried the chuck on, and it fits like a gloves, finger space just right for getting the screws into the back of the chuck  :thumbup:

This is what it will do.

Turn a diameter on a bar (this is for some hand wheels)



RT recentred simply by winding the table back to the zero position,

Chuck clamped on RT and holes drilled using index plate, because job was left in chuck these holes are dead concentric to the OD of the bar.



Mext job transfer chuck back to lathe to finish off the handles (I'll show that later), again everything will be dead concentric.

I'm happy how this is working out I think I've got a real usfull bit of kit.

Her's a pic of my Boses Choclate refrigorator cake

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM



Have Fun

I'm off to have a bit of tea and cake
 :D :D :D :D :D
Stew
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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2009, 03:34:41 AM »

Now I understand......   :thumbup:
:
They look very nicely done David,

Now I know how I'm going to tackle one of my little engine tasks  :thumbup:

Don`t you think it`s a bit cruel showing chocolate heaven, this time of a morning........  :lol: :lol:

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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2009, 03:41:11 AM »

Now I understand......   :thumbup:
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They look very nicely done David,

Now I know how I'm going to tackle one of my little engine tasks  :thumbup:

Don`t you think it`s a bit cruel showing chocolate heaven, this time of a morning........  :lol: :lol:

David D

Darren little engine quote  :scratch:

Confused

It must be the choclate set up an inbalance in my system  :zap:

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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2009, 04:11:47 AM »
Oh my.........   :bugeye:   :bugeye:

Now, I`m doin` it.......   :scratch: :scratch:

Well..... There`s no answer to THAT!........  :bang:


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From a confused/ bemused,

David D......... (Not Stew, or Darren either).


« Last Edit: June 17, 2009, 04:13:33 AM by Stilldrillin »
David.

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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2009, 03:18:04 PM »
Ok finished off the small hand wheels I started last night.

Drilled 6*3mm holes 25mm deep enough to make three or four wheels



Took the chuck off the RT with the job still in place and remounted it on the lathe.

Trepanned a shallow recess in the face of the wheel.



Rounded the corners off with a file and gave it a quick polish with emery cloth.

Drilled down the midle 2mm dia

Then parted it off in two stages:- adavanced for a 3mm wide wheel, took the tool down so that the through holes were cleaned up, adavanced tool 1.5mm then parted off this formed a nice boss on the back of the wheel, didn't get a good pic of this.

Thats it job done far easyer on the pocket than buying casting



Have fun

 :D :D

Stew
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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2009, 01:51:14 AM »
Stew,
Those hand wheels look great.  Well done. :beer:   Just don't mistake them for decorations for chocolate cake! :lol:
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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2009, 02:10:20 AM »
VERY nicely done Stew!  :clap: :clap:

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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2009, 05:05:47 AM »
Very nice Stew.....I wish you guys would stop using the RT's.....I've got enough to do at the mo without you lot showing off all the time... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Very nice... :clap:
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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2009, 07:10:27 PM »
Stew looks like you accomplished the task you set out to do and it works for...nice job!

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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2009, 11:44:54 PM »
Ohhhhh very cool!

Nice work on the RT, as well as the wheels!
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Re: Rotary Table Chuck Adaptor Plate
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2009, 01:15:50 AM »
Thanks for your kind comments chaps

Have Fun

Stew
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