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Offline Bogstandard

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5c to MT?
« on: April 09, 2011, 07:50:25 AM »
I don't make tooling just for the sake of it, I always need a reason for doing it.

I have a couple of tools that I need to make that are produced from MT blank arbors. OK if doing the work in the lathe, but when it comes to the mill, it poses me a problem as to how to hold them accurately and rigid enough.

So, I looked at my range of adaptable tooling that I have made that goes between the lathe and mill, and came to the conclusion that a 5c to MT adapter is what I really needed.


So rooting thru Arc Euro's pages, I found just what I was looking for, a 5c blank end arbor (on the left), I always have a few blank MT arbours knocking about for making up bits of tooling when required. I tend to buy the ones that have threaded ends, then if a tang is needed, I can just fit the screw in tangs I can get from Arc, again, I always have some in stock.




The arbor was mounted up in my 5c collet chuck, a hole drilled thru and I started to bore out at a rough angle of what a MT is at using the topslide.




When a point was reached where there was still about 3/8" to 1/2" of the taper protruding, the boring was stopped.

I also took the opportunity at this break in the proceedings to remove the chemiblack from the 5c arbor. I like shiny things.




Over many years I have built up my tooling range, so I have at my disposal 1, 2 & 3 MT reamers. These are very handy to have if you are into making your own tooling, and don't cost all that much if you search about, I think I gathered mine from Tracy tools.




Both my MT2 & MT3 are hand reamers, having the square drive end on them, but by setting them up like I have, they can be used for machine cutting, but only use very slow cutting speeds, plus plenty of high pressure cutting lube. The feed is put on with the tailstock, and I soon reached the required depth




The taper only goes into the 5c arbor about 2", but that is more than enough length to support the blank MT, and mine fitted perfectly with absolutely no runout at all.




A drawbar is required to stop the MT falling out of it's taper mounting under the rigours of machining, so a root around in the spares box came up with a good fitting bolt. Then a stepped washer was made to fit in the back of the 5c adapter.




This is how it all fits together.
After this shot, I skimmed down the bolt head to half it's thickness, so I didn't have too much protruding out of the back of the 5c.




So now that I have this adapter, I will have no problems with holding blank MT arbors in both my 5c collet blocks, and my spindexer as well.




It can sit in the corner of my 5c rack amongst the other specialised ones until it is required for use.
Notice the neo magnet on there, holding the bits together so they don't get lost.




A quick and easy job that was done when I got a bit fed up and finger sore with blinging up my latest engine.



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Offline DaveH

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Re: 5c to MT?
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2011, 08:29:41 AM »
John,

What a good idea. :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Re: 5c to MT?
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2011, 09:01:46 AM »
Looking good, nice work  :clap: :clap:
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Re: 5c to MT?
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2011, 12:19:20 PM »
A very useful bit indeed John, and a nice break from the apparent blinging!

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Re: 5c to MT?
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2011, 11:27:58 AM »
That's a very interesting proposition there John, I think I may have to get one of those blanks and make one for my purposes.  Thanks for the little jog there, it'll make things easier to transfer from lathe to mill and other places. :bugeye: :beer:  Cheers, Jack

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Re: 5c to MT?
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2011, 02:24:45 PM »
Thanks for the positive comments gents, I was expecting all sorts of 'easier ways' types of comments about holding a 3MT accurately on the mill.

I actually have three pieces of tailstock tooling I want to make, ranging from the very simple to rather complicated, so the cost of the 5c blank end arbor will be more than worth it, even if it is never used again.


Invest a little, gain a lot.


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Re: 5c to MT?
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2011, 05:12:16 PM »
Very nicely shown bogs, I'm greatly inspired by your idea of having interchangeability between the machines!  :thumbup:

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Re: 5c to MT?
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2011, 07:58:26 PM »
Just another satisfied customer! I took your great idea and made three adapters this weekend, a 3MT, an R-8 and a ER-40 collet holder using the blank 5C fixture mounts.

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Re: 5c to MT?
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2011, 01:51:57 AM »
C,

Very nice indeed.

It's nice to know that I have given someone a little bit of inspiration to go out and say that they could do the same sort of thing, and that it is a tool that will help them in the long term.

I am lucky in that I have a spindexer with the ER32 mount built into it, it saves me having to make one as you have.

A few bucks spent buying the arbors to make this sort of tooling is never wasted. Maybe not in the short term, but over the years, these bits of cheap tooling will more than pay for themselves when you come across little problems that can't be solved by any other means.

I do have a couple more bits of taper tooling for the tailstock to make, so when eventually I get back into the swing of things, maybe they will be of interest as well.


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