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Project Logs / Re: Making the best of Global Warming
« Last post by vtsteam on July 06, 2025, 03:43:12 PM »
Another nice thing about generating your own is when there are power outages. Around my rural area, trees falling on power lines interrupts power 3 to 5 times a year.

When I lived on the houseboat, I was at a country marina dock one night in Florida, plugged into shore power, and the power must have stopped. I didn't notice because the automatic transfer switch worked instantly, and was very quiet. I only realized the power was out when I went up on deck. The marina was dark and also the big city glow that normally flooded the horizon at night was gone. My boat was lit up like Christmas tree, and the music was still playing. Nice being the only one left in civilization-- that was the feeling.
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Project Logs / Re: Making the best of Global Warming
« Last post by Joules on July 06, 2025, 08:12:31 AM »
 :lol: I can sell you some over unity extension leads that plug into themselves, you only need plug it in once for free power......  50% of your money back if not totally satisfied....
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Project Logs / Re: Making the best of Global Warming
« Last post by BillTodd on July 06, 2025, 07:54:52 AM »
Hi Joules, yes I fully understand the enjoyment value (being able to stick two fingers up to the power company is priceless)  .

I just think it important not to be fooled by the lure of 'free' power  (I know a couple of people that fall into the category!) 

And I get a kick out of crunching numbers  ...
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Project Logs / Re: Making the best of Global Warming
« Last post by Joules on July 06, 2025, 07:42:45 AM »
Huge variation  in prices Steve, I used Renogy 100W panels, in my case they are a manageable size costing about £69.00 per panel.   However I could have bought 440W Jinko panels for £68.00 so about £0.155 per watt.  For me the panels are too large and heavy to handle on my own, but that cost per watt !!!  They also wouldn't have provided the higher voltage I wanted as my Renogy panels are 4 in series then parallel with the other 4, making best use of my charge controller or in this case the Bluetti built in one.

Ade, rain dropped temperature here and sun just came out, our 800W array just peaked at 850W, so I was 100W down during heatwave.

Bill, interesting take on your view, I never saw this as an investment but something that interests me.   As Steve Jobs book title "The journey is the reward"  It also helps I have great support from my wife, who was in engineering.
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Project Logs / Re: Making the best of Global Warming
« Last post by BillTodd on July 06, 2025, 07:28:35 AM »
What are panels going for these days per watt?

I bought  second hand solar farm panels which works out to be £0.25/w . New more efficient  panels  seem to be nearer £1\w

Biggest problem in east England is average generation of 17 to 20w/m2 (annual  mean) and the end of the lucrative feedin tariffs (peaking around 42p/kWh and now more typically 5p)

Using all the available power is important to maximise returns, with EV charging being good because it replaces expensive petrol.

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Project Logs / Re: Making the best of Global Warming
« Last post by vtsteam on July 06, 2025, 06:40:22 AM »
What are panels going for these days per watt?
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Project Logs / Re: Making the best of Global Warming
« Last post by BillTodd on July 05, 2025, 03:31:00 PM »
I've been experimenting with a couple of panels and cheap LA batteries for a couple of years now.
It's  currently running my network and freezer (using just over a kWh a day) . I have to split them east & west either side of my roof.

The intention was to see if a cheap dc system could pay for itself in a reasonable time period , which it probably wiill in another year .

However,  based on my low electricity usage and the difficulty of using it to capacity,  I can't  see hard nosed economic argument to keep it nor expand it , even I buy an EV (other than my bikes)  and cover the roofs in panels  . I simply don't have long enough live  :lol:

I think anyone thinking about PV as an investment needs to do their sums ... carefully.
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Project Logs / Re: Making the best of Global Warming
« Last post by AdeV on July 05, 2025, 02:01:11 PM »
Ade, hang on till after the winter storms before deciding on a tracker, see how mine copes.

 :thumbup:  :beer:

Eco Worthy US have a larger tracker option, anyone’s guess if it will make it to UK store.   You also need to provide a 12V supply at the tracker, could be a battery but would likely need another small panel to keep it charged.   Plenty of YouTube vids on these trackers.

Fortunately, I already have a 12V panel  :lol: It's nigh on 20 years old, but has spent most of its time in the box indoors, waiting for me to play with it....

Hoping to move to a new house late this year/next year - I'd like to coat the roof with solar, have some big ass batteries to store the power, and maybe a tracker or two depending on funds/motivation/etc. If I can grab enough energy to keep my car charged up over the summer, and to help a bit in the winter, I'll be well happy.
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Project Logs / Re: Making the best of Global Warming
« Last post by Joules on July 05, 2025, 08:16:15 AM »
Ade, hang on till after the winter storms before deciding on a tracker, see how mine copes.   Eco Worthy US have a larger tracker option, anyone’s guess if it will make it to UK store.   You also need to provide a 12V supply at the tracker, could be a battery but would likely need another small panel to keep it charged.   Plenty of YouTube vids on these trackers.
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Project Logs / Re: Making the best of Global Warming
« Last post by Joules on July 04, 2025, 04:38:27 PM »
Ade, I can tell you at the height of the heatwave the array was most likely only 50W down on its max capacity, won't know till a bright sunny cold day for sure.  I use a thermal camera to survey the panels during the day, it is also used on all wiring and equipment to watch for issues.  Picture attached was the hottest day we had and actually had a fuse holder melt on the workshop rack for another device.

We still generate power on overcast days, might only be 10% of the arrays power, but every little helps keep grid charging at bay.   We bank power using the storage and try to use what we have if we know we can get more over the next few days.  Can be a tricky balancing act but we gradually got a system that works during the winter.  Quite often after snow and you get a sunny day, clean the panels as quick as possible as reflected light gets bounced back strongly by a bit of cloud or even the snow itself.  It probably helps that it's just the Mrs, me and the dog and we don't own a TV, so no constant drain on our system.  We use RV fridge and freezer, that help rotate food more quickly, but also means we can move them into the conservatory where it's cold in the winter so their energy demand goes way down.   No worries in summer as we usually have way more power than they need, but we move them into the kitchen where it's shaded.
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