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First project
« on: April 12, 2009, 02:28:47 PM »
With lots and lots of advice from a fellow modeller I have just finished my first project.
Found the site via Bogstandard on Youtube.

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Re: First project
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2009, 02:34:33 PM »
By ek, where did you come from... :wave:

That's a nice looking engine, and you say your first build too  :clap:

Any chance we could see some detail pictures.

PS, welcome to the forum and thanks for showing the video, that's a real inspiration  :dremel:

PPS, the first vid worked fine
« Last Edit: April 12, 2009, 02:36:12 PM by Darren »
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Re: First project
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2009, 02:54:21 PM »
Must be something up with my computer I can't see the first video!
I will try to sort some photos out.
I would like to make a displacement  lubricator for it with a needle control but I am struggling to find information, I do understand that the steam hole needs to be small about 1/64th?
The final destination is a clinker(lapstrake for our Americian friends) hull.
http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww346/phosphatetangjade/launch/Wide-a-Wake002.jpg
http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww346/phosphatetangjade/launch/Wide-a-Wake004.jpg

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Re: First project
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2009, 03:23:50 PM »
both videos work for me
that is also an impressive engine  :thumbup:

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Re: First project
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2009, 03:43:08 PM »
Hi M,

That is a wonderful engine you have created there, something you should really be very proud of.

After many years of playing about with and making steam engines, I have come to the opinion that easiest is usually the best.

To put it bluntly, if an engine is running at all different speeds, then lubrication needs to be controlled to match that requirement. Even ambient air temperature will affect how steam oil flows, so you should always err on the side of over lubrication rather than trying to get it perfect for all conditions.

Unfortunately you can be chasing your own a**e trying to get a perfect system, so the easiest way is to use a system that although not perfect, will give the engine protection from the lowest to highest oil demand.

That way can be easily achieved with a single non adjustable hole to allow oil in. For an engine of your size, I would use a fixed hole size of either 0.8mm or 0.9mm (that would be based on a boiler pressure of between 35 to 45 PSI). For one of lower pressure, say a Mamod type, a hole of 1mm to 1.2mm would be required. These sizes are not written down anywhere, but based on my personal findings.

You could go over the top and use an oil feed pump as they use on model locos, which admits oil based on the engine speed.

You have a choice, either you use the engine to play about with, or use it for what it is intended for. The first one can have a play with adjustable system, for the second, I would go with a fixed hole size.

You have to be very careful when putting steam engines into models. For say in a model boat, as you propose, you can spend more time fiddling at the lakeside than actually sailing.

What isn't there, can't go wrong.

Hope this helps (or maybe confuses even further)

Bogs

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Re: First project
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2009, 04:14:58 PM »
Thanks for the advice just what I was looking for, I will go with your suggestions regardinging set up and practical use of the steam engine I have just made.
Thanks once again
Mark

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Re: First project
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2009, 04:31:27 PM »
Congratulations Mark!  :thumbup: Congratulations to Mr B. Standard for his support to get you this far! :thumbup:

It is difficult for me to imagine such a beautiful machine ever comes out the doors of my shop! ::)

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Re: First project
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2009, 06:14:45 PM »
Hi Mark!

Welcome to the collective!  :borg:

That is a nice engine. Never mind it being your first... nice job for even an old pro.

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Re: First project
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2009, 01:35:23 AM »
Hi Mark

Welcome aboard thats a real cracking engine you've built there you must be very proud of it and rightly so.
 :clap:  :clap:  :clap:

thanks for showing the video to us, look forward to seeing you go on to build other things as you will get :proj: on her

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Re: First project
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2009, 10:21:15 AM »
More detailed shots for Darren:


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Re: First project
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2009, 10:30:48 AM »
Nice to see you on hear as well

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Re: First project
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2009, 11:13:00 AM »
I'm like a sponge at the moment can't get enough information only trouble is I seem to spend more time looking at the great models,modifications and builds.

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Re: First project
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2009, 02:17:53 PM »
Thanks Mark, that's exactly what I wanted to see, lots of detail in there along with some nice ideas.... :clap:
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Re: First project
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2009, 02:28:42 AM »
Hi Mark!

Welcome to the forum.

What a cracker of a first project!  :clap:

Well done!  :thumbup:

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Re: First project
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2009, 07:11:49 PM »
I#m in awe, welcome aboard.  :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Re: First project
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2009, 07:22:59 PM »
Just added this thanks for the help and advice from Bogstandard and Ian for the plan which he sent.

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Re: First project
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2009, 02:24:25 AM »
Love the bucket, that just finishes it  :clap:
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Re: First project
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2009, 01:56:49 AM »
VERY NICE!!


Welcome to the board!
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Re: First project
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2009, 05:25:40 PM »
This is the progress on the launch to take my engine

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Re: First project
« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2009, 08:21:16 PM »
first project................WOW  :jaw: :bugeye:

very nice engine and boat  :ddb:

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« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2009, 11:40:06 PM »
Mark,

You've done a lovely job of that hull. To me it doesn't matter whether it is carvel or clinker, just being an open framed hull does it for me, but of the two, I think clinker always looks the best.

It is a shame you are going to be sticking a filthy running engine into it.

I used to sail on a sunday afternoon and then spend a couple of days cleaning the thing up again, so it looked nice for the next outing.

I would suggest make a very good insulated bed tray so the whole plant can be lifted out, so you can give it a good clean.
It isn't scale like, but it will save heartache in the end.
I found the heat from the boiler scorched all the deck planking underneath it, and the varnish disintegrated.

I eventually cured it by giving the whole engine bay a coat of epoxycote and had the tray lifted about 1/4" off the decking to allow air to circulate underneath.


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Re: First project
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2009, 04:22:46 PM »
mcr ............. first class work on both the engine and launch, thanks for taking the time to share it with us, look forward to more  :thumbup:

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Re: First project
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2009, 05:22:10 PM »
That launch is awesome.  Can you give us some more details?  Was it scratchbuilt?  Plans purchased or homebrew?  More pics, too!
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Re: First project
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2009, 05:41:30 AM »
The hull is based on the Wideawake a plan published a good few years ago in the model boats magazine.
I have modified a good bit, using the hull cross sections of the Wideawake I have changed the deck etc.
I will post one or two more detailed shots as I go along.

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Re: First project
« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2009, 06:49:13 AM »
Hi

Thats a magic bit of work thanks for showing

Have fun

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« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2009, 02:13:01 PM »
From one model boater to another,  That is one beautifully crafted hull

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Re: First project
« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2009, 03:20:28 PM »
MCR, that's a lovely job on both the engine and the boat!  :clap:

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Re: First project
« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2009, 07:47:33 PM »
This is the progress on the launch to take my engine

I like your work.  I am, however, curious why two screws were omitted on the engine's brass shield.

Raymond

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Re: First project
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2009, 03:26:24 AM »
That Clinker is just beautiful lovely work -  clever putting the dining table in for scale. :lol:


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Re: First project
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2009, 05:08:15 AM »
Wow,

thatis a very nice engine and boat! Look forward to seeing more of your projects on here. Keep up the good work.

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Re: First project
« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2009, 06:49:01 PM »
Out of curiosity, what engine is that? Are there plans available?

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Re: First project
« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2009, 11:59:24 AM »
Borderer, Vertical Twin Cylinder Launch Engine

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A Vertical Twin Cylinder Launch Engine with Stephenson Reverse Gear. Designed by J Bertinat and described in Model Engineer Vol. 163-165
Castings are available fro Reeves although I built fro stock material

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Re: First project
« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2009, 01:09:39 PM »
Beautiful engine and boat.  I also have r/c boats, mostly electric and one steam.  I like to do the planking and deck laying.  I have a Hasbrouck Nr.7 I am working on.  It is also a Vertical 2 Cylinder Launch engine.
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« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2009, 01:51:00 PM »
Mark do you have any copies of the plans for that engine?   Would be a great winter project.  Thanks  Ray
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Re: First project
« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2009, 02:35:54 PM »
That looks like a lovely engine too Ray.
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Re: First project
« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2009, 02:15:35 PM »
I will try to sort out the plans when I get to the bottom of the swamp(work shop) Ray.
I have had a rather unpleasant experience with Ebay, when I had a close look at the boiler I purchased for the boat it turned out to be soft soldered and then sprayed to cover up the fact.
I had little choice but to cut it up and use the copper to make a new boiler.
With lots of help from a fellow club mate this is the result so far.

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Re: First project
« Reply #37 on: November 27, 2009, 06:20:41 PM »
Little more progress

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Re: First project
« Reply #38 on: November 27, 2009, 09:06:34 PM »
looking good mcr  :thumbup: :thumbup:

sorry to hear about the boiler..............you just can't trust some people.

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Re: First project
« Reply #39 on: November 28, 2009, 09:20:22 AM »
I have had a rather unpleasant experience with Ebay, when I had a close look at the boiler I purchased for the boat it turned out to be soft soldered and then sprayed to cover up the fact.

And you wonder why there are people who get upset about the specifications in building one. Can't believe they can get away with selling something that dangerous. I guess I'm getting  :offtopic:

Anyway, nice save and the boiler looks real good. At least it will be a much safer boiler.

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Re: First project
« Reply #40 on: November 28, 2009, 12:29:31 PM »
I had hoped not to have to build the boiler however I am pleased with the result so far compared to the horizontal death trap.