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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #50 on: June 17, 2015, 11:00:13 AM »
Oops my bad, the headstock is separate, well diguised join!

Regards Matthew.

Matt,glad to see you got her to France in one piece.
The joints are often hard to detect because they were often filled or filleted over with foundry filler/linseed whiting potions to prevent any coolant from creeping in between the joint faces.....OZ.
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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #51 on: June 17, 2015, 11:13:20 AM »
They're definitely separate - I have a spare headstock :D
Ade, Wow, a spare head stock, has it got the intemediary gear you need? What happened to th rest of it?

Thanks KRV!

Regards, Matthew

Hi Matt,

Yep - I only wanted the gears, but it was easier for the seller to just take the headstock off & send that. I also got a replacement tailstock (I need to re-make the brass insert in mine, there's about 1/3" of backlash, but as I haven't (yet) found a suitable left-hand ACME tap, and my attempts at making a single-point tap have, so far, been laughable... I figured it might be quicker just to buy another one!

The lathe in question was being scrapped, I can't remember why, IIRC the screwcutting gearbox was smashed and possibly there was damage to the bed, hence it being sold for parts.
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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2015, 01:51:00 PM »
Well, I've tried my best to decipher the screw cutting dial plate, but it's just too far gone :(

I'll stick a picture on the web somewhere later (it's 11MB, too big to upload here, and I've temporarily forgotten the password to my web space...)

I can just about decipher the bottom two lines, which read:

"For any odd Whitworth pitches and all metric threads keep ???"
"screw nut engaged and return saddle by reversing feed clutch"

I'm not sure what they mean by "reversing feed clutch", as far as I know there is no such clutch. There's a forward/reverse gear, but I wouldn't want to try to use that while the lathe is in motion.

(edit: Attached a 1/2 size picture, it's still pretty big)
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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #53 on: June 21, 2015, 02:22:54 PM »
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Take first cut when........ opposite mark
Or subsequent engagements...........
For whole even number threads engage at any..........(mark, probably)
For whole odd number threads engage at any number mark
For threads ending in 1/2.............
For any odd Whitworth pitches and all metric threads keep guide
screw nut engaged and return saddle by reversing feed clutch.
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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #54 on: June 21, 2015, 03:23:03 PM »
Thanks Steve, that looks like a really good start to deciphering the plate!

Adev thank you for posting the pic of the plate! The last two lines I could read from my plate, it means, stop the lathe when the carriage arrives at the end of the thread without disengaging the half nuts, reverse the feed or the drive, and power feed the carriage back to the beginning of the cut.

thanks again, Matthew

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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #55 on: June 21, 2015, 05:10:19 PM »
In terms of deciphering eroded lettering, if you had the patience you might want to to try RTI (Reflectance Transformation Imaging) - its being developed/used by archaeologists for tasks like teasing faint engravings from rock surfaces etc.   Info & free software here

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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #56 on: June 21, 2015, 05:25:01 PM »
Well we can intuit that it would probably say something like:

Take first cut when pointer is opposite proper mark. Repeat
for subsequent engagements.
For whole even number threads engage at any mark.
For whole odd number threads engage at any numbered mark.
For threads ending in 1/2 engage at the same mark.
For any odd Whitworth pitches and all metric threads keep guide.
screw nut engaged and return saddle by reversing feed clutch.
I love it when a Plan B comes together!
Steve
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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #57 on: June 21, 2015, 06:09:39 PM »
Thanks Steve, that looks right, I'll try that when I get it back together!

Today I got back to it,

Cross drilling 1/4", a bit that I still have after being away from the Imperial system for 36 years!


Sorry about the shake! Milling the key way.


Fitting the key, I thought of you Steve, a nice filing exercise!

I had some trouble boring and tapping the centre of the shaft to take the dial friction screw. First thing I had trouble drilling 5mm to thread M6 for the adjuster screw. I then had trouble tapping, I concluded that I had hard spots where the original metal was. I was afraid to snap the tap, so I drilled it out to 6mm with a carbide tipped masonry bit re-sharpened to cut metal and tapped for an M6 helicoil, I'm home I thought. The grub screw wouldn't got through sticking, dirt maybe, so I tried a tap in it, and then, **** happens as they say, I broke the tap trying to get it out! I can only think the it caught on the helicoil it would go neither in nor out, I'd been so careful! So far, my efforts at breaking up the tap have failed, there's 25mm 1" in there below the surface. I think that my way out is drill or grind from the side where the helicoil is, get the tap out, weld up and machine!

Regards, Matthew.

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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #58 on: June 21, 2015, 07:18:53 PM »
Oh nooooooooooooo.........! :(
I love it when a Plan B comes together!
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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #59 on: June 22, 2015, 02:32:22 AM »
Damn that's bad luck. From here I'd be most tempted to cut the shaft off beyond the cross-drill, counterbore it then make a whole new end which plugs snugly in the counterbore then weld the pair together.

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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #60 on: June 26, 2015, 12:24:11 PM »
Andrew Mawson
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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #61 on: June 26, 2015, 12:49:52 PM »
Matthew,

Here's another one for spares :)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Edgwick-gap-bed-lathe-/261945343821?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3cfd28bf4d

Cheap at half the price, wait a minuet, that's more expensive than mine including transport!

To follow, the end of cross slide lead screw woes to follow shortly!


Regards, Matthew

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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #62 on: June 26, 2015, 01:12:27 PM »
First thing I had trouble drilling 5mm to thread M6

Isn't the correct tapping drill for 6 mm in steel 5.2 mm ?

Dave.

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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #63 on: June 26, 2015, 02:21:26 PM »
I generally work on the principle that within reason the correct tapping drill is the biggest one you have which will pass through a nut of the thread you wish to cut and just sometimes one that nearly passes through if only a couple of though too big.  Don’t get me wrong I am not being rough only where I live you cannot just pop out and get the correct size.

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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #64 on: June 26, 2015, 06:11:34 PM »
Matthew,

Here's another one for spares :)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Edgwick-gap-bed-lathe-/261945343821?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3cfd28bf4d

Wow - that's a very early model, note the clutch lever sticking downwards out of the top left hand corner of the headstock (the later ones, like mine and Matt's) have the clutch lever sticking upwards at the bottom right of the headstock - a much better position, because you don't need to step to one side to reach it.

I've asked the seller for a photograph of the screwcutting dial plate, if it's got one, hopefully that will let both Matt & I run our screw cutting dials properly!
Cheers!
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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #65 on: June 27, 2015, 10:47:01 PM »
It's been awhile since I wrote, I've been having a spot of health problems, a lung infection, three days "observation" in hospital the week before last, antibiotics, I'm tired, but on the mend, more scans next week. trouble sleeping, but that's not new!

First thing I had trouble drilling 5mm to thread M6

Isn't the correct tapping drill for 6 mm in steel 5.2 mm ?

Dave.

Dave, 5mm is the general used size. I have come to the conclusion that my build up material was work hardening, the deeper I drilled, the harder it got as despite frequent oiling it was getting hotter and hotter in there!

Discretion being the better pat of valour, I decided that it would be easier to cross drill the dial and put a slug of Teflon in the hole with a grub screw to put pressure on it to give adjustable friction on the dial.


The white lump is a Teflon off cut, I put it in the three jaw on the little Emco, turned it down, I had to finish it by hand as it was too soft to go all the way down to 5mm.


Reassembled. The previous owner had treated the oil nipples as grease nipples, cleaned and oiled up it's a lot less stiff. The "pear" handles bent back very easily with a piece of 30mm pipe.



I tried to clean up the threading dial, now it's illegible because the engraving is really shallow, when it's turning you just can't see anything, not even the lines!

AdeV, did the seller of the other Edwick ever get back to you, good thinking on your part. Each time I go to look at something, you've been there before! Like you, I didn't know any thing about the oilers, other than they are not grease nipples (grease zerks), I was able to benefit from your experience once again, I've ordered a pump type oil can that I should be able to adapt as an oiler.

regards, Matthew.

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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #66 on: June 28, 2015, 08:58:47 AM »
Hi Matt,

The guy I bought my spare parts from has since scrapped the rest of the lathe, so no joy there.

The chap who's selling the early model that Andrew found, has promised to "try" to get a photo, apparently he's not near the lathe very often (I get the impression he's selling it on behalf of someone else).

I'll post here as soon as I have anything...

I must admit I've never investigated how my cross-slide gauge works, I just un-nip the outer wheel, adjust the inner, and nip up again. I always assumed it just trapped the inner wheel between two fixed elements...
Cheers!
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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #67 on: June 28, 2015, 09:43:21 AM »
AdeV,

I discovered when I got the dial off mine, that there was a cross drilling with a wedge shaped piece in it. A grub screw in the shaft pushes the wedge out to give more friction, it's not just pinched!

Regards Matthew.

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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #68 on: June 28, 2015, 11:38:08 AM »
I always thought with metric threads you deducted the pitch from the dia to give the tapping size , that's what I do it works and is easy to work out with my single Brian cell


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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #69 on: June 28, 2015, 12:08:42 PM »
I always thought with metric threads you deducted the pitch from the dia to give the tapping size , that's what I do it works and is easy to work out with my single Brian cell


Stuart

Exactly!

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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #70 on: June 28, 2015, 02:18:06 PM »
AdeV,

I've searched the web for Thread dial information, and it turns out that Steve's "reconstitution" is spot on, nothing exotic or special about the Edgwick. Thanks again Steve!

Well we can intuit that it would probably say something like:

Take first cut when pointer is opposite proper mark. Repeat
for subsequent engagements.
For whole even number threads engage at any mark.
For whole odd number threads engage at any numbered mark.
For threads ending in 1/2 engage at the same mark.
For any odd Whitworth pitches and all metric threads keep guide.
screw nut engaged and return saddle by reversing feed clutch.

Regards, Matthew

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Re: The Eddgwick arrived!
« Reply #71 on: June 28, 2015, 11:37:01 PM »
Glad to help if I can Matt -- I envy you your lathe, and very glad it ended up in good hands. :beer:
I love it when a Plan B comes together!
Steve
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