any train buffs out there

[HS93]

saw this on flea bay and I am shore there is something wrong ,colour name plates etc

not interested in buying at all but it interests me when things seem what they should be , but I may be wrong, and thats why I am asking

    Peter 





http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ASTER-LIVE-STEAM-A4-SIR-NIGEL-GRESLEY-PRISTINE-CASE_W0QQitemZ110392659385QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Trains_Railway_Models?hash=item110392659385&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A2%7C294%3A50

[John Hill]

Peter, are you refering to the apparent black and green in one picture and blue front in another?  Is, perchance, the proper colour for this famous loco very dark blue, that would explain the colour and the rest can be put down to digital cameras etc.

Meanwhile,  here is another nice little train set for sale,  live steam, includes station, track and carriages to carry your friends and visitors!


http://www.realestate.co.nz/936512

[Brass_Machine]

7.9K!!  


Wow. I know next to nothing about trains though Peter.

Eric

[Bernd]

Nope. Nothing wrong with that. I don't have an interest in British engines but as it said it is one of 150. Has never been steamed. I do know that the engines were green.

A freind of mine assembled a kit of a British steam engine and now sits on his mantel. He said he would never run it on steam that if you did the valuve of the engine would go down.

I've been a model railroader ever since I can remember, but not an expert on Gauge 1 live steam. I believe these models were strickly made for collecting purposes only. That's why the high price.

Bernd

[HS93]

I thought they where blue and I did not think there was more than one flying scotsman. the bottom picture is 1967

 http://www.sirnigelgresley.co.uk/vids/video-rs01.wmv

Peter 

[bogstandard]

Peter,

I think you will find that Sir Nigel Gresley is only one out of a class of loco, namely the 'Pacific' class.

Also locos were repainted many different colours during their working lives.

The Mallard was one such of this class, and that broke the world record speed for a steam loco.

They also come undressed as in the picture below, without the streamlining. Same class of loco, different clothes.

John

[sbwhart]

The Pacific's coming in two state of dress streamlined and un-streamlined the Malard was done up for the world record run but in reality the streamlining didn't do much for performance Personaly I like them un-streamlined.

Very nice model by the way it always amazes me the prices some of these models command, particularly of they are un-steamed, but I can't see the point in building a live steam loco and not bringing it to life with a little coal, just my view.

Stew

[John Hill]

John Bogs, I think the 'Pacific' class was a pretty broad class based on not much more than the wheel combination, in fact I believe even the little NZR Ab loco in that train set for sale I mentioned is a Pacific 4-6-2.

[bogstandard]

John,

The 'Pacific' name is used all over the world to classify a certain country's range of locomotives. The American class of Pacific as far as I can surmise, is a rather large brute of a loco.

Here is a little history of our locos under the 'Pacific' name. A few different versions were based on the class.

http://www.lner.info/locos/A/a.shtml

Our latest loco the 'Tornado' was made to the designs of the Peppercorn Pacific class loco, and modified to bring it up to date, so that it could run on mainline.

http://www.a1steam.com/

John

[HS93]

Just found a green picture of it in the mid 60s and with the Flying Scotsman on the front, when it was a BR loco, so it is correct.


  Peter 


http://www.sirnigelgresley.co.uk/frame.html

[John Hill]

John,

The 'Pacific' name is used all over the world to classify a certain country's range of locomotives. The American class of Pacific as far as I can surmise, is a rather large brute of a loco.

Thats right John,  I dont think Pacific means anything more than 4-6-2.

[bogstandard]

John ,

I think the American version has 10 drive wheels.

John

[John Hill]

John ,

I think the American version has 10 drive wheels.

John

That could be John, I am not a real train buff but I always understood the little NZ 'Ab' locomotive was a Pacific class  but it was oceans apart  (ha ha funny what?) from somthing like the UK speedsters.

[Bernd]

John ,

I think the American version has 10 drive wheels.

John

John,

If your talking the 4-6-2 it only had 6 driving wheels. The front "bogie" which had the 4 wheels, the 6 driving wheels and the 2 wheels to under the firebox.

Bernd

[bogstandard]

Bernd,

You are quite correct, please excuse my ignorance.

I was getting confused  with the 'Pacific' class layout of 4-6-2 as this one is, and is a standard layout under the Pacific name all over the world.

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2951628710051634853NfcuhM

And the Pacific Railroad class SP1 layout of 4-10-2, of which this is an example.

http://espee.railfan.net/sp_steam_sp-01.html

My confusion is now cured.

John

[Bernd]

John,

I believe you guys use just one side of a locomotives wheel arangement or axle to describe the number of wheels, were as in the US it is the number of wheels on one axle.

The classifacton system used in the US is called the Whyte's Classifaction.  So a wheel arrangemenr such as  o o  O O O O  o   would be 4-8-2 called a Mountain. So two axles for the pony wheels thus 4, four axles for the drivers, thus 8 and one axle for the trailing truck, thus 2 or a 4-8-2 Mountain. Were that names came from I'm not sure. It also depended on what part in the US they ran in as to what the called them.

Bernd   

[bogstandard]

No, we use the full numbers for the wheel count, that is if they have enough fingers to count that far.

Well my confusion was cured, it is now back again  .


John

[Bernd]

John,

Since we're not building anything of importance why don't we just drop the subject. It seems to be hurting your one brain cell that you claim you have left. I don't want to be blamed for totally wiping out that last cell. 

Regards,
Bernd

[John Hill]

John,

I believe you guys use just one side of a locomotives wheel arangement or axle to describe the number of wheels, were as in the US it is the number of wheels on one axle.

The classifacton system used in the US is called the Whyte's Classifaction.  So a wheel arrangemenr such as  o o  O O O O  o   would be 4-8-2 called a Mountain. So two axles for the pony wheels thus 4, four axles for the drivers, thus 8 and one axle for the trailing truck, thus 2 or a 4-8-2 Mountain. Were that names came from I'm not sure. It also depended on what part in the US they ran in as to what the called them.

Bernd   

Pony wheels?  We dont use horses to pull trains, not since about 1830.

[Bernd]

Ok John let me rephrase that then. "The lead trucks."

How's that? I got rid of the horses. 

Bernd

[John Hill]

Bernd, as far as I know the practice in NZ has been to count all the wheels and we used the North American(?) designations too so our very numerous all purpose loco was the 'Ab'  Pacific type with wheel designation of 4-6-2.  Something I have never found is a 4-4-4 loco, curious eh?

Now then Bernd, I thought you American chappies called the front bit with four wheels the "pilot truck".

(I am going down stairs to play now,  it is blowing a gale with 12 metre swells coming into the bay and 120kmph winds trying to batter the lounge windows in.  Downstairs is concrete block and I wont hear a thing down there!!)

[HS93]

while we are talking trains found this site , it has some strange turbine trains and some very strange boilers

http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/locoloco.htm

    Peter