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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #900 on: October 08, 2020, 07:34:07 AM »
Yes I think so but the proof will be when I can put 10 bar on the original switch.

I put it all back together again this morning and re-installed it. All seems to work as it should and Iím now going through the myriad of places oil is supposed to emerge checking that they are all lubricated ok

Tiny volumes in some places so not immediately obvious.
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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #901 on: October 08, 2020, 10:42:18 AM »
This afternoon I made up a test adapter for the pressure switch - M10 x 1.0mm female to 1/8" BSP Male with a female cone in the end.

Assembling the switch to a test pump and guess what - the switch is INNOCENT - apply pressure switch closes release and switch opens.

I was just packing up and processing the photographs when I realised that there was a possible / probable miscarriage of justice - looking at my photograph of the Fluke meter it was on its next to HIGHEST ohms range not it's lowest  :bang:

Of course I'd dismantled everything and put all away, but there was nothing for it, there would have to be a re-rial in the light of this new evidence. I put everything back together repeated the test and OK the accused WAS innocent, and released from custody.

 . . at least I now have a spare pressure switch.

As for the original fault, I believe that the copper wires had corroded where they were crimped - possibly due to the sulpher in the oil, or maybe other causes, and the outer plastic sheath had held the bits in intimate contact, often adequate and sometimes not. Remember that the plastic sheath is retained by the outer crimp on these spade lugs.

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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #902 on: October 08, 2020, 12:59:49 PM »
Wow, that DVM came from The Ark! I think I have one of those somewhere although it wasn't badged as an RS product - pretty sure it's a Fluke. I think I got mine second hand in the 80s, which rather dates it.

I recall a time when RS insisted on eradicating any trace of the manufacturer and putting their own part numbers on components instead. That was never going to last. Quite amusing the lengths they went to!

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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #903 on: October 08, 2020, 01:14:07 PM »
Oi that's my more modern meter - don't be cheeky  :clap:

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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #904 on: October 08, 2020, 03:32:51 PM »
Even my AVO is a fairly modern Mk8. I expect you can trump that too!

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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #905 on: October 08, 2020, 04:38:53 PM »
Iíve a couple of Avo 8ís but my ex WD Avo 40 recently died from a fatal fall onto concrete
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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #906 on: October 09, 2020, 05:56:20 AM »
Iíve a couple of Avo 8ís but my ex WD Avo 40 recently died from a fatal fall onto concrete
 

I, too, have an AVO 8.  The 15 volt dry battery (high ohms range??) is getting a bit hard to find these days.  I seem to remember seeing mention of a third party DC-to-DC converter to generate the 15 Volts from the accompanying 1.5 Volt U2 cell (aka D-cell).  How it was switched on and off remains a mystery to me!

I rarely use the AVO 8 these days - I have a Fluke 8020A.  My Bank Manager lent me the money to buy it.   :D   :D   :D  One problem with the early 8020A instruments was that the LCD display got 'poisoned' and lost legibility.  Fluke ran a scheme whereby, for a reasonable fee, they would replace the display with an improved version and re-calibrate the instrument.  That was many, many years ago and the replacement display is still going strong.

I remember lots of folklore concerning RAF AVOs being 'destroyed' (or maybe not?) after the 1939-1945 war but that might be considered as off-topic!  As might attempts to trace the evolution of AVOs' manufacturers - Douglas, Automatic Coil Winders, AVO Ltd., Marconi Instruments et al!

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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #907 on: October 09, 2020, 06:32:45 AM »
I've been fond of Avo's ever since I was a school in the CCF signals Unit. And when I found that the father of one of my school friends was a Director of Avo I had high hopes - sadly not achieved - of liberating one. He did however arrange a personal trip round their 'factory' in Vauxhall Bridge Road London (mid 1960's) which was a collection of substantial terrace houses knocked together at several levels.

I remember that the Douglas Coil Winders were being assembled in the basement, but also in use winding the non-inductive precision resistors - quite a hive of industry.

Shorty after that they moved to Dover, and I persuaded my parents to buy me the Avo 40 for Christmas from a small ad in the Evening Standard.
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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #908 on: October 09, 2020, 07:07:14 AM »
Like many companies in the electronics industry, the company I was working for between 1966 and 1980 suffered a high 'shrinkage rate' for AVOs.  There were lots of people who claimed to be able to provide me with an AVO on-the-cheap.  However, these offers all dried up when I asked if the deal would include proof of ownership!  I wanted to be able to deploy my AVO in public with confidence.  I eventually bought a new AVO 8 for £32.50 from Watts' Radio in the Apple Market, Kingston-upn-Thames.  I've probably still got the bill somewhere - I must remind myself of its date.

Some years later, Taylor Instruments had the same parent company as the then proprietors of AVO (I guess Marconi Instruments?).  A Taylor sales representative came to discuss panel meters for a current project.  In conversation, he said that when Taylor's manufacturing load was droopy, they'd be tasked with making a batch of AVOs to 'fill the hole'.  He displayed the salesman's consummate skill in keeping a straight face while he assured us that 'of course, a Taylor AVO is better than an AVO AVO'!!!   :D   :D   :D 

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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #909 on: October 09, 2020, 07:13:03 AM »
"Watts' Radio in the Apple Market"

This brings back good memories  :clap:

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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #910 on: October 09, 2020, 11:34:25 AM »
Iíve a couple of Avo 8ís but my ex WD Avo 40 recently died from a fatal fall onto concrete
 

The 15 volt dry battery (high ohms range??) is getting a bit hard to find these days. 


Easy to source and a lot cheaper than when I last looked - https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/273806052629?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=710-134428-41853-0&mkcid=2&itemid=273806052629

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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #911 on: October 09, 2020, 12:20:48 PM »
There are certainly times the AVO has its day, like observing things starting up. By the time a digital meter has got its knickers on and the display settled down (assuming it does), the smoke may have come out. When I was developing SMPS supplies, we used AVOs and panel meters a lot. The DVMs were reserved for precision, static measurements.

At one time I used those little miniclip probes with voltmeters. It was when holding both of them onto a 3 phase supply that I was able to experience the feeling of 3 phase across my hands. Could have killed me I suppose but here I am. I have to say it hurt like f***. Little strands of wire hanging out at each probe aren't clever.

Back then we were allowed to sign equipment out for home use. But we had brain dead a hole managers who thought standing outside the factory door at 5:29pm would motivate the engineers. I signed out an AVO 8 for a homer project and one of said a holes gave me a dirty look on the way out. Consequently I kept it longer than I'd planned and then the company was bought out and closed down, making everyone redundant. On the upside, the all a holes also got made redundant and I still have the AVO 8 in my workshop.

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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #912 on: December 01, 2020, 09:00:58 AM »
Sometimes you just get lucky  :ddb:

Advertised on eBay a couple of months ago were a pair of PCM swiss made powered tooling holders - a straight one, and a 90 degree one. The description was vague, and although they looked to be VDI holders the seller couldn't say if they were VDI 20 / 30 / or 40. A search on the PCM part number of the straight one (as it showed in the advert photo) implied that it was VDI40 as I need but was no means definite. However the drive end of these holders looked to be identical to the Beaver ones that I had had to modify on my existing holders.

Anyway no point in getting too excited - he was asking silly money and had already rejected a more reasonable off that I made a few weeks back. Well, he went through the hoops of re-listing the items four times so last week I made a slightly increased offer and to cut a long story short they have just arrived. A quick inspection shows the bearings to be reasonable and although they need a clean up they are in infinitely better condition than the previous ones that I got that were seized solid and needed new bearings and seals.

The straight holder fits 'as is' directly on to the tool turret with no modifications needed, and the drive engages nicely. The 90 degree one will need to be modified (as I had to with the previous one) as the heel of the mounting face fouls on the centre disk on the turret. About 1/4" needs to be removed - perhaps a bit less - to clear the disk, but I've done it before so can do it again!

. . .so I'm a happy bunny today  :clap:



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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #913 on: December 01, 2020, 07:29:00 PM »
You have to love that! :ddb: