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my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« on: May 19, 2018, 06:49:30 PM »
hi all I no I have projects on the go. but I cud not resist I got my self a Stuart 10 horizontal at Doncaster show  :)  I have  bin after one for sum time as I have the vatical 10 witch I was given I keep saying I will by a proper cylinder casting for it as the one that's on it I made out of steel  but never have any way as my way of getting a way from the (wedding of the year) I started on the engine will post pics tomorrow  not any mashing just cleaning up  the castings only two things not right that will be sent back 1 is the gun metal casting for the bearings for the crank and the other the cylinder all the ports are slanted you see wat I mean when I post the pics and by the time I mashen them they will be to big in one way and not big inuf in a norther way a part from that all seems well but at a Delmer don't no why but Stuart don't do drawings for this engine in MM  :bugeye: I think there not doing them selves any favours by doing this as this type of engine is deemed suterbel for  beginner's and as any one under the age of 50 say in the uk will be learnt metric system that bin sed it ant hard to convert the drawings to MM any way as im making the engine in MM shod I use MM nuts and bolts  or the BA bolts provided  :scratch:  any way as off to bed

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2018, 01:00:09 AM »
KRV,
      Look forward to your build. I made a decision ages ago to only use Metric fasteners. Not that I have built any bought casting models but certainly modified a few imperial drawings to metric.
   I notice that you have BA bolts provided with the castings so perhaps use them as it would seem no tapping on your part is needed.
      At least in my tiny shop using metric I do not have to keep multiple supplies of fasteners, drills, taps and dies. Will not suit the purists but I build stuff for my enjoyment and sometimes frustration. Either way I learn stuff, even if it is not to do something that way again.
   God luck with your build.
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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2018, 01:30:30 AM »
I have not long finished a 10v and used 2.5 mm cap heads , as I didn't have a drawing .
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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2018, 03:05:50 PM »
hi all john B on the one I have all the holes need taping   any way her is sum pics just in random the black pant you will see on sum parts is a rust preventing coting  any way the first pics is of the cylinder and Bering casting enjoy   

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2018, 09:31:26 PM »
I'm surprised they let those bad castings out of the shop. Otherwise this will be a nice project to watch you complete.  :coffee:
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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2018, 11:34:38 AM »
hi more pics got a email back of Stuart there going to send out  sum replacement parts   any way all the parts that I am not working on I have put in a tub so they don't get lost lol (wee will se if that works ) today yep I hold me hand up I cheated I took the box bed in to work to  grind it flat the risen for that the top part had bin child so even with a cobalt cuter in me mill it was hard to cut so rather than damage me mill I just did it at work I hope non of the remainder of the castings have not bin child  time will tell 

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2018, 12:37:10 PM »
I also have planned to buy one of the castings sets from Stuart. Those are not cheap but I also assume they will replace any unmachinable components. They have that kind of a reputation.

There is this British musician, Keith Appleton, who makes a lot of videos about steam engines and he has some which are aimed towards noobie machinists like me. Despite the marketing content his videos are actually very good. I also think that he has the correct understanding on what is important and what is not. In case You have not seen his videos those might give some hints and they are strangely entertaining. Especially the ones that contain painting ....

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2018, 04:37:46 PM »
Bob, I hit a hard spot in a cast iron pipe cap that I wanted to use for my pipe engine project. It really messed up my 5/8" drill, and I didn't have any carbide drills. So I tried annealing it and it worked. It cut really easily after that.

Maybe if you have problems again with hard castings you could try it.

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https://madmodder.net/index.php/topic,10261.msg117028.html#msg117028
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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2018, 08:29:02 PM »
lol well every thing is on hold me work bench is full of er tools I put a bid in for a wooden tool box witch is full of tooling did not think I wood win it till I got a txt saying I had won and it was just up the road lol as like a kid at xmas will post pics tomorrow
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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2018, 06:36:52 PM »
hi all. all I will say is the box is gnaw in bits will put up sum pics the workshop is full of wood dust once I had a good  at the box was in a bad state so I took it all a part the top of the box was broken so im on sanding it all dawn to get it so I can put it back together

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2018, 04:45:56 PM »
hi true to Stuarts reputation they have sent me out replacement castings I sent them a email saying thank you and I will send the bad parts back to them I got a reply saying there is no need to  send them the bad parts just do wat I want with them  :)  well im going to   mill out the ports on the bad cylinder and fit in a blank and re mashen the ports so I will have a proper cylinder for my upright  No 10     

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2018, 05:52:26 PM »
hi all as fed up with working on the box so started to make the crank once over the crank was a casting gnaw they give you the bits to make one rather than do that I will be making the one for this engine out of a solid lump first job was to convert the droning in to mm I all redy had sum flat stock the right size so just cut it to length center drilled the two ends then off we go once the center was to size I glued in a m8 dowel redy for the next job right pics       

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2018, 07:55:07 PM »
That's an interesting way to do it, Bob.  :thumbup:

No need for jacks.

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2018, 05:40:14 PM »
I think I shod rename this bit as haw not to make a one pace crank a pack of chocolate hob nobs to the first one to spot the mistake right pics   

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2018, 05:55:38 PM »
Oh dear, you cut the wrong piece out. It's a non-crankshaft  :)

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2018, 09:33:43 PM »
Now that's my kind of mistake! :headbang:

Let's see you do that twice in a row, now.
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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2018, 02:23:23 AM »
I too create this type of opportunity to make something again. Can we say, "The first was just a trial run"?? Yeah, well I've made quite a few trial runs in that case.
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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2018, 03:03:33 AM »
But how else does your scrap bin fill up with useful stuff to dig you out of the next hole  :clap:
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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2018, 03:55:40 AM »
At least it won't vibrate .
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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2018, 05:16:04 PM »
lol I like all the comments will get started on a new one dun the right way I hope lol
 

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2018, 05:38:53 PM »
hi all did a bit more I made a new crank and fitted the top casting to the bottom box casting I had to make new studs as the ones supplied are to short so mad them out of stanles rod  I all so put sum chemical  metal on the underside of the box as the casting is thin no pics of that  right pics  the studs in the pics the long ones is the ones I made and the ones in the box casting

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2018, 06:26:58 PM »
Second crank looks good, Bob!  :thumbup:  :beer:
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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2018, 05:36:58 AM »
Looking good Bob; I made one similar a while back a S50H,  works a treat when set up...




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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2018, 04:50:03 PM »
hi brill im not inprest  with this kit sum of the 7BA nuts are taped off center studs to short im after sum 4.5mm AF stanles hex bar to make new ones   

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2018, 05:13:08 PM »
hi will put up sum pics at sum point I got sum stanles rod 2.5mm will remake the studs I have sum 4.5mm AF coming to make sum bolts I got sum SS nuts of peter so I don't have to make them also borrowed the taps and die's for the gland nuts and exhorts port I mad up a angel bracket to attach the top casting to I also got a 11mm ball nose cuter off john for the Bering mounting point have fun by for gnaw     

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2018, 04:16:32 PM »
hi all I got a replacement cylinder for the Stuart so the other one im repairing to go on to my Stuart  v10 sos no pics of this bit but mild out the bad port section of the cylinder just bigger than  the valve chest that dune got sum cast iron and made a plug to fit in did this the old way with a hacksaw and files once a snug fit I glued it in place I have sum epoxy witch is resistant to hi temp once that's bin left for a week I will mill it and put the ports back in it right pics   

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2018, 10:00:30 PM »
Good idea about salvaging the old cylinder, Bob.  :thumbup: :clap:
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« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2018, 09:10:39 PM »
hi well it ant bin a week lol I mild off the plug sos no pics of that bit then set the cylinder up in the 4 jaw chuck direst the end off then board our to 20mm then direst the opposite end off the bare in the pic its bang on 20mm that I have going threw the bore then marked out where the ports need to go  right pics   

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« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2018, 11:09:00 PM »
Those ports look a lot straighter than the old ones! And good job on the bore, Bob. I like seeing the pictures.  :thumbup: :beer:
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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2018, 02:50:21 AM »
Hi Bob. Long time no see!

However, can you put a name to your high temperature epoxy resin please? Probably others are asking the same question.

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« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2018, 02:47:36 PM »
hi all thanks for the comment's hi Norman the epoxy is devcon hi temp non ferrous industrial I have  had it sum time it stinks lol

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« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2018, 04:22:08 PM »
Thanks Bob.

I was hoping to find the name of an epoxy which could be the medium to mix a substantial amount of bronze filings.

Actually they were stuff used by gilders and - to my knowledge- were at least in the family in 1938.Shame not to have some use for it.

Actually you saw some of it when you Kindly helped to assist me with a 'newer' lathe.

My formal thanks you and Peter!

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« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2018, 04:37:11 PM »
hi Norman theirs this type  on eBay this is the number  162449306200

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« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2018, 06:15:31 PM »
hi all not a lot of pics I direst up the box casting I filled in sum deep casting marks sos no pics of that bit then gave it a cot of black gloss pant do you no wat the silver thing is for made a rod to go in to the top casting for setting up on the angel bracket that I made to hold it still undecided in witch way im going to  mashen it right pics

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« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2018, 08:25:06 PM »
well im disappointed no one gest wat the silver block is for well its for holding the cylinder wile you drill the hole for the steam port pic

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2018, 09:07:37 PM »
I would not have guessed that nice one! :beer:

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« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2018, 09:11:04 PM »
Oh okay, sorry, Bob, I didn't realize it was a guessing game.   :coffee:  I've seen something like that before though. P. 146, Tubal Cain (the ME, non-Youtube one), "Simple Workshop Devices", although yours is nicer because it has a backrest, not just a plinth. I like that.  :thumbup:
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« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2018, 04:36:15 PM »
well even more pics I fitted the top casting to the angel plate then fit it to me face plate after sum time of giggling abwatt got it lined up on center  once that was dun I glued the top casting on as I did not want to just rely on the clamp that I made up to go across the crank Bering mawnts to hold it in place  then I  turned the front face dawn to size an fast it off then started to boar it out to the rite size right pics I must Point out I did this work sum time back but im on holiday and thort it wood be good to put sum post up wile im a way  when I get back I need to drill and tap the plate that its fixt to so I can mill the Bering supports and clean up the slot in the side and I have put sum pics up of me work bench lol   any way pics   

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« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2018, 06:26:15 PM »
You really weren't kidding about your bench!

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« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2018, 10:59:49 PM »
I like seeing work on an angle iron and faceplate!  :beer:
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« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2018, 08:33:35 PM »
hi all right as back from me holiday so I got stuck in today on the engine I machined up the other cylinder did not take any pics as it was the same proses as the last on then drilled and tapped the top casting to the base of the angel bracket then got a lump of cast ion cut a lump off yes I no you get a lump of it in the kit but I need to make two  top caps and two bottom caps any way turned up two  top caps then made one bottom cap I will have to dismantle the 10v two get the sizes right for the bottom cap any way me lath is curved in cast ion muck so I think tomorrow will be spent cleaning it  dawn  any way pics       

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« Reply #41 on: August 01, 2018, 12:57:26 PM »
Nice progress KRV3000; did you find any chilled spots in the cast iron sash weight when you cut & machined it?. these lumps of cast can vary, some machines up nicely other bits can be a pig to machine until you get under the skin.

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« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2018, 04:19:34 PM »
hi no I had no bother in the machining of the cast ion but the bit that was left I took to work and skim it off at work  :D right I milled the top casting  for the crank bearings right pics
 
   

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« Reply #43 on: August 02, 2018, 10:20:54 AM »
Looking good, Bob.  :clap:
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« Reply #44 on: August 04, 2018, 07:48:49 PM »
hi did a bit more I started on the valve chest first job con vert it all in to mm then start to mashen  it up wat the drawings don't tell you is that there is a off set on the gland fitting (ie) its not in the center it is on the with but not in its depth good job I have the old drawings of the 10v witch shows you this off set any way ones taken to het right thickness I had to get me height gage out and marked the center spot once that was dun I made a filler pace to go in the center of the valve chest this is too keep the drill running strata   then set it up in the 4 jaw chuck and with me center bar got it on center then you have to drill in three steps 2.4 then 3.2 then 5.4 right pics

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« Reply #45 on: August 08, 2018, 05:27:06 PM »
hi all dun a bit more fitted the valve chest and drilid and tapped the holes and fitted the end cape right pics

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« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2018, 09:41:46 PM »
hi all dun a lot more will post the pics tomorrow I drilled the bottom cap then drilled the channels for the steam ports all so did the ports for the taps once more the drawings don't show this but I no that on this engine and the v10 there a extra and you don't need to fit them  but if you did want to fit them wat is the hole you need to drill for the tap and the hole  for the feed to the tap and you need to put flats on where the taps fit on to   any way as im making me own taps  so the threaded hole ant a problem but wat is a problem is on the v10 the taps are essay to get to but on the h10 there on the bottom of the cylinder so I have a plan its to make  up sum pipes to go  from the bottom and go up to the taps that will be fitted to the side  and rather than the taps pointing out they will be pointing dawn ( i.e. )  just like your kitchen taps I all so mild out the ports on the second cylinder any way will post more tomorrow

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2018, 05:06:41 PM »
hi as promist pics

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« Reply #48 on: August 12, 2018, 05:24:57 PM »
hi even more this time with words lol my way of drilling the bottom cap to the top casting made up a 7ba by7mm long  4mm threaded 7ba to go in to the cylinder then filed off the threads so they fit in to the bottom cap  then with a flat plate and a angel bracket clamp up the cylinder to the top casting keeping the port face at right angel then only on the bottom of the end cap and the top casting run sum super glue a rawnd the jont once the glue has gone off remove the cylinder but don't move the end cap then drill threw the end cap with a 2mm drill in to the top casting then  drill with a 2.6 mm drill pics   

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« Reply #49 on: August 12, 2018, 05:39:06 PM »
even more once that's dune next job the gland nut and piston yes in the kit you get a lump of brass to make these out of but im making them out of bronze chopped up a lump then in the 4 jaw to turn it in to a rawnd the piston od is 19.5 mm by 6.5 thick   in the drawing it says three oil groves well im opting for a silicon o ring sos no pics of this bit as camera went flat  once that was dun I then made the gland nut 12.75 od by 9.6 mm long drilled 3.9 then a 4mm Remer then turned dawn the end for 5.16 thread then cut it off  and then threaded one end of the 4mm rod supplied for the piston rod  5ba thread    right pics       

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #50 on: August 20, 2018, 12:56:44 PM »
Still enjoying following your progress, Bob. I have a couple chunks of bronze shaped just like yours -- must be cutoffs from a big round. Keep up the good work! :beer:
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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2018, 03:57:55 PM »
hi thanks I have a few lumps like that no pics but made up the cross  head and made the rod for the valve next job the valve connecting rod and concentric     

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #52 on: September 09, 2018, 03:55:53 PM »
hi all more pics made the gland nut for the stem chest the concentric  as you no I have bin making videos with john regarding the fix of D.T.I.s hope you all are enjoying them any way pics 

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #53 on: October 15, 2018, 02:27:48 PM »
Looking really good, Bob! :beer:
I love it when a Plan B comes together!
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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #54 on: October 15, 2018, 03:22:03 PM »
hi sos all bin biz with john with them haw to vids plus I hive bin on with the wooden tool box I have wood dust all over the place

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Re: my way to billd a stuart 10 horizontal engine
« Reply #55 on: October 16, 2018, 02:55:55 PM »
Not to worry I know there coming.  nice videos by the way!  :beer: