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Fitting Vee Guides to the Fanuc Tapecut Model M Wire EDM
« on: August 16, 2020, 06:45:34 AM »
A few days ago I was glancing through old  threads and re-read my series on rebuilding my Fanuc Tapecut Model M Wire EDM machine. Now apart from playing about, frankly that machine has hardly been used - why? Well threading the wire is an ABSOLUTE PAIN  :bugeye:

The wire has to be passed through upper and lower guides that are hole in rubies - wire 0.25 mm hole in ruby 0.255 AND you had to thread from the underneath only being able to see the hole in a mirror. So perhaps you see why it has only had infrequent use !

Original thread HERE:

https://madmodder.net/index.php/topic,10085.msg113699.html#msg113699

Now while I was rebuilding the machine I'd had the opportunity to rob a Model L as it was being scrapped - a very similar machine but this particular one was equipped with 'Vee Guides' - no holes, just a sharp Vee shape into which the wire falls held by tension - a slightly less accurate method but VASTLY easier to thread !

Why did I never fit them :scratch: Well both machines had been heavily modified over the years and the method of fitting the guides was qite different between them, and the Vee guides were missing all the plumbing for the ionised water electrolyte. Perhaps I should explain, not only does the guide assembly (upper and lower incidentally) have to hold the wire in a precise location, it has  to convey the cutting current to the wire, and direct a jet of water along the wire to stop it melting and flush out cutting debris.

Now the current is applied to the wire by it sliding over a polished tungsten carbide stationary roller - relatively easy to engineer. The water is slightly more complicated as the water guide has to be able to open and close to admit the wire when threading. The original (missing) parts are complicated mouldings - but HEY - I HAVE A 3D PRINTER !

Now having had this thought I then could not find where the heck I'd put the Vee guides - I searched high and low, and it wasn't until someone wanted a TG100 collet from me that I went searching in my container and found a mystery ammunition box - and guess what was inside  :ddb:

So, over the next few weeks I plan to try and come up with a design that allows me to relatively easily swap between the two type of guide, and hopefully get it working.

I made a start today with a 'Psychological Clean Up' - a good hoovering to get the dead flies and dust off, then a sponge down with phosphoric acid to remove dried on bits that I been cutting, followed by a good rinse. Always better to work on a clean machine!

Workshop time is severely limited at the moment as Abi(gail) our new Viszla puppy joined us yesterday and needs constant attention - we are 'time sharing' hour on - hour off !
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Re: Fitting Vee Guides to the Fanuc Tapecut Model M Wire EDM
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2020, 12:43:13 PM »
Well the good news is that it seems that the mechanical mounting for the Upper Vee Guide is identical to the existing Ruby guide.  So it looks like just a bit of re-jigging of the water and electrical connections will sort that when I've 3D printed the rest of the jet.

For the Lower Vee Guide it's a bit more complicated, but I've found one small bit of stainless that forms half of the water jet for the lower head. If you read the rebuild thread you may recall I had to totally re-make the mounting as the original had largely dissolved away in the de-ionised water over the years. Now the good news is that I reused the blue insulating machinable ceramic spacer that it all sits on so hopefully mounting holes will be the same - with a bit of luck I can once more re-make this mount ensuring that it is compatible with the Vee mount, and much of the objective will have been achieved. It will still need the rest of its water system 3D printed but it should be possible.

(amazing what you can do in short gaps between puppy sitting  :clap: )
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Re: Fitting Vee Guides to the Fanuc Tapecut Model M Wire EDM
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2020, 12:59:06 PM »
Would it not be possible to lathe up a simple cone, which fit onto the underside of the lower guide, which would aim the cut piece of wire into the ruby? Or would that have been too easy?  :palm:

PS: Manual arrived safe & sound last week, thanks; I forgot to mention it! Or maybe it was the week before - time seems to be flying by right now! I blame the baby...
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Re: Fitting Vee Guides to the Fanuc Tapecut Model M Wire EDM
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2020, 01:29:32 PM »
Glad arrived Ade  :thumbup:

The problem is access - there is very little room under the lower ruby (actually I think I may be wrong, they may be artificial sapphires).
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