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QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« on: September 16, 2009, 02:15:37 PM »
With interest I read this thread:

http://madmodder.net/index.php?topic=720.0

and desided to "scale up" the drawings to fit my needs and got this made in SketchUp from Google  :coffee: :



I look for the material for the main part and found this   :bugeye: - and tried to cut off a peace and I succeeded  :clap: :





Mounted the peace in my saw and started to "rock'n Roll":






After a while I ended up with this:



ready to make it nice in the mill.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2009, 02:27:34 PM by ksor »
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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2009, 02:46:10 PM »
Wow ksor

Thats one chunk of steel  :jaw:

Look forward to following your progress.

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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2009, 03:01:40 PM »
Interesting saw. It has coolant on the blade, right?

Seems like alot of memebers are into making their own tool posts. Must be something like Rocker-itis.

Guess we can call it tool-post-itis.  :lol:

Nice job cutting that by the way.

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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2009, 03:06:31 PM »
Blimey, bet that chunk weighed a bit..... :bugeye:


Looking forward to this log....... :thumbup:
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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2009, 03:18:36 PM »
I like it a lot

Big chunk of steel - very nice saw
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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2009, 03:19:12 PM »
That is one hell of a block of steel!!!

I`m making one of these as well - dovetails are proving problematic but I think I`m getting somewhere tonight! Get plenty of photo`s of your build.

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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2009, 04:30:08 PM »
Bernd: Yes it has cooliant on the blade - lots of cooliant !
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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2009, 04:48:41 PM »
Ksor, I have a HSS blade saw too but it turns very slowly, maybe 50RPM,  I wonder if it has the wrong motor and should be turning faster?
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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2009, 04:58:26 PM »
John Hill: I don't think so - my saw has a 2-speed motor so the blade - I think - is running about 40 and 100 RPM !
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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2009, 05:32:00 PM »
Ksor, I have a HSS blade saw too but it turns very slowly, maybe 50RPM,  I wonder if it has the wrong motor and should be turning faster?

Nope. you definitely want a coldsaw to run slow.  :thumbup:
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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2009, 05:53:18 PM »
Thanks, thats good news.  Mind you I am always in awa at the torque of 2HP running 50rpm!
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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2009, 02:22:12 AM »
Rigged up for milling the surfaces one by one - I had to use conventionel milling (not climbing) because my mill can't do climb milling very well:



Later I found out I had to add more stability:



and I went along with the first face - and it gave me some very big "curling" chips and sounded just right.

The next face - the one pointing down to the vice - gave my nearly no chips att all - and sounded no good - it just distroyed my tool !

I think the plasma cutting had hardened the steel too much for the tool (HSS) - could that be the case ?
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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2009, 02:34:58 AM »



The next face - the one pointing down to the vice - gave my nearly no chips att all - and sounded no good - it just distroyed my tool !

I think the plasma cutting had hardened the steel too much for the tool (HSS) - could that be the case ?

The plasma cutting probably has hardened the steel up some  :hammer:.

Thats a nice slab mill hope you can get a regrind, you could try a TC tipped facing mill to get the hard skin off, or if you've got a shaper try that.

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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2009, 07:00:47 AM »
I got a little longer with the main part  :coffee: :



I'm NOT so proud of the surface finish, but I haven't got my destroyed cutter grinded yet   :hammer:

- I used another one - I think it's called a face mill - that's why it look so rough !







I used a R6 to rounding the edges and I think that's just the right size.  :thumbup:
« Last Edit: October 15, 2009, 10:42:21 AM by ksor »
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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2009, 04:49:27 AM »
Doesn't look rough to me! Is that a centec mill your using? I have one like that with a big facing cutter the same but it is knackered also, leaves a nice ridge down the middle of the cut face on mine!

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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2009, 05:58:49 AM »
First of all: I'm NOT so familiar with the US/UK-milling-terminologi !

Is this called a PLAIN milling cutter ?


I think it was the right cutter to use to the job, but unfortunately I destroyed it because of the plasma cutter had hardened the steel too much for HSS tools.

I now have to arrange some grinding rig to get it sharp again - but it'll have to wait.

I then used a big "end cutter" - I think it's called - and it gives me two problems:

1) a much more rough surface - witch you clearly can see here:


2) it's not big enough to cover the whole width of the peace, so I have to mill it twice - and you can clearly see the "ridge" here:

 - you can SEE it but you can't FEEL it !

The PLAIN cutter didn't give me this because it was so wide it covered the whole peace and the surface was nearly  ::) like a mirror.


« Last Edit: October 17, 2009, 06:07:04 AM by ksor »
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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2009, 06:32:28 AM »
Hi Ksor,

The first cutting I think here is called slab milling, or side milling on a vertical mill. The second as you rightly say is end milling.

That slab milling of yours gives a wonderful finish  :clap:

How did you cut the dovetails, I'd like to see the cutter that did that so well ..  :bow:
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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2009, 07:25:31 AM »
Here is the cutter I used instead of the destroyed slab cutter:



I called it a "very big end milling cutter" - is that the right term in US/UK-milling-terminologi ?

And here is the one I used for the dowtails - and I cut each of them in one procedure - 25mm X 15mm.


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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2009, 07:29:07 AM »
They look like some serious tools you have there, I see now why your dovetails came out so well  :clap:

Thanks for showing.

There seems to be a lot going for horizontal mills, if it wasn't for the room I'd consider one but I have enough on my plate ....  :lol:
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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2009, 08:02:51 AM »
Darren,

You should be able to get a right angle head for your Beaver, I saw one for sale the other week on one of the second hand machine retailers sites. Not cheap though. Maybe a standard Bridgeport one would fit.

I am going to Chester UK in a few weeks to have a look at one to fit my mill. But the dovetail attachment will need thicker gibs, because mine has a narrower mounting. Should be a fairly easy mod job.

http://www.chesteruk.net/store/horizontal_milling_attachments.htm

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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2009, 08:09:35 AM »
That's very interesting John. I like the idea of holding cutters at both ends but wouldn't want to sacrifice a vertical mill in order to have that facility.

I will look into this at a later date, do let us know how you get on John  :thumbup:
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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2009, 09:29:52 AM »
Am thinking I maybe should keep my horizontal now!
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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2009, 09:44:20 AM »
I would, just depends if you need the funds tied in it or the space it takes for something else?
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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2009, 10:50:37 AM »
Yeah that was my initial thought. My vertical can do most stuff and more than the horizontal can do so that money would be better put into more other things such as rotary table, power hacksaw etc.
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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2009, 08:17:26 PM »
BUMP....


How is this one coming along? Not seen you around lately  :scratch:
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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2009, 12:47:49 AM »
Oh ... it's running very very slow at the moment !

I'm looking for a small 60 degrees cutter for the "opposite dove tail" - I you know what I mean.

Autumn/winter is comming ... cold in the shop and so I have to heat it up first - the shrink would call it procrastination  ::)

And by the way ... more interesting things "in-door" is calling - do you know that ?

The grandchild is calling for a model train ... and who can reject that  :) ?

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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2009, 08:29:53 AM »
The grandchild is calling for a model train ... and who can reject that  :) ?



Now there's something to stay out of the cold shop for then. A model train set up. What grandfather can say no to that.   :D  :ddb:

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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2010, 10:20:58 AM »
Now I got myself a

250mmØ  4-jaw-chuck
75mm Boring head

So NOW I can go on with this project - meanwhile I HAD made something - just to try it:

First I cut off some small peaces 45X45X90mm:


Then I prepared my mill for cutting 25X25 in one path:


I try 2 peaces in the first place:


And at last cut the threads:


Now I'll have to make the dovetail !
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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2010, 07:35:27 AM »
Hi ksor, it's interesting to see a cold saw in use, and someone using a horizontal mill to do some not so serious milling.  When you cut pieces off a chunk of steel that large that's been cut with either plasma or flame, it's good to try to center the piece you want rather than trying to get as much useful metal as possible, unless you can arrange to get the whole thing up to critical temperature, and let it cool long enough to aneal it, just for the very reasons you demonstrated in your second cut with the "slab mill".  I've got a couple of pieces of inch and three quarters that were flame cut, each about hundred kilos and more, and I put pieces in my wood stove which heats my shop in the winter, and they will go in with a full load of hardwood chunks, and stay in till next morning.  It's just another month or two before I can put a fire in my stove.  I envy the way you cut right through with the big cutters and that horizontal mill though.  On the cutter you used for a face mill, you can take a fine stone, find the one edge which is high, and stone it down to match or better yet, stone all the face edges, and get good, flat facets on each edge, then find the high one, and give it extra stoning, and get rid of the line mostly.  That you can see it, but not feel it makes it more a matter of looks than function though.  Nice work, makes me want to find a decent vise for my small and rather antique horizontal mill and use it for a change.  In my book, there is an "up" side to wiping out a cutter, it lets you know you are working tool steel, and not just some merchant stock, and it is hardenable.  I get most of my steel scrap, so finding tool steel is always a bonus.  You've got a fine start on the project, it should last a lifetime when you're done. :nrocks: :thumbup: mad jack

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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2010, 09:01:27 AM »
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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2010, 06:40:26 PM »
Hello Ksor,
I would be interested to see a photo or two of you Stanko lathe. I have a Stanko mill and find it an excellent machine. What is your horizontal mill? Perhaps in the middle of this thread is not the place to add the photo(s), but maybe you have some on Photobucket or Flickr?

Nice work on the QCTP, by the way.

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Re: QCTP for my Stanko 1A616 from 1962 ...
« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2010, 11:44:16 PM »
Hi Richard
I have a few old photos of my lathe (Stanko 1A616) and my mill (Vilh. Pedersen VPF-1) - very old machinery but functioning very well



Today I have made a shield over the telescop/cardan:


Because of my narrow space I cant get pictures covering the full size of the mechines - sorry, but I have lots of detail photos  ::)
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