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Re: our trade goes by. its a shame
« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2009, 04:08:09 AM »
He was a nice chap though and did at least say we could do whatever we liked in our own homes. We that is, not friends even if they have their own machines and not our children.

I'm not sure how correct he was on the last two ?

 :offtopic: I`d like to know if that is true?! Surely if it is in your home and someone comes in to join you, then surely it is their responsibility?!?

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Re: our trade goes by. its a shame
« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2009, 05:59:56 AM »
Chris. I think you'll find it's your responsibility,

can anyone verify that?
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Re: our trade goes by. its a shame
« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2009, 08:02:37 AM »
This subject has been discussed many times on other sites.

As recognised by insurance companies, if you are working by yourself in your own area, then you are OK.

As soon as another person enters that area, no matter who, the area then becomes a public place, and it is your responsibility to provide at least third party insurance cover, even if it is in your own home.

People rant and rave that they can do anything on your own property, which you can within reason, but as soon as another person is involved, even wife and kids, your own property then comes under government rulings and cover has to be provided.
Say your wife enters where you are working, slips and hurts herself. She has a claim against you under law, because you allowed an accident to happen, and you failed to prevent that accident happening.
It could be construed that if you tripped over one of your kids toys, you could claim against the rugrat. But in real life that doesn't happen.

If you look on your household policy, you might or might not find that you are already covered for such occasions. If not, it shouldn't cost too much to get it included. Usually it costs very little for up to 2 million squid cover. You should also have in place a goodly amount to cover you for legal costs, on mine, 100,000 squid. When I sued my former employer, I had to have that cover in place, just in case I lost the battle. Luckily I won.

A lot of local UK councils are now requiring 5 million cover if you take say a model boat or car into a public place.
 
So all those kids with hi tech Christmas presents are most probably breaking the law by taking them out in the street without the correct insurance cover.

You might say it is stupid, but could you afford to pay out a massive insurance claim if someone tripped over your kid's model car and hurt themselves. That is just the way things are at this time.
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Re: our trade goes by. its a shame
« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2009, 08:20:58 AM »
So we live in a blame culture  -  whose fault is that?

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Re: our trade goes by. its a shame
« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2009, 08:40:31 AM »
Well it's not mine  :lol:
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Re: our trade goes by. its a shame
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2009, 09:56:53 AM »


  I have always lived by the rule that if "I" go onto some one else's property it was my responsibility to look out for my own safety. I know that is not the law but it should be. If I don't want to take the responsibility then I need to stay away. We seem to live in a society that , I'm now finding out seems to be world wide, wants to put the responsibility for our own welfare on someone else's shoulders and not our own where it should be. I think it is a very sad state of affairs. Life is a series of risks manup and take it or wimp out and crawl away. Well thats my thoughts anyway for whatever their worth. Probably not much.

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Re: our trade goes by. its a shame
« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2009, 03:37:14 PM »
Life is a series of risks manup and take it or wimp out and crawl away.

Your preaching to the converted here Ron  :beer: I think to a man we all agree, changing legislation is the problem ..............

as a matter of interest I was told Australia had nipped both this and the "no win no fee" culture in the bud once it started to emerge over there, can any of our upside down members confirm or deny that .............. just interested, it's not going to change anything here is it  :scratch:

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Re: our trade goes by. its a shame
« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2009, 07:09:09 PM »

as a matter of interest I was told Australia had nipped both this and the "no win no fee" culture in the bud once it started to emerge over there, can any of our upside down members confirm or deny that .............. just interested, it's not going to change anything here is it ......

I do not know about Australia but NZ put a stop to that decades ago by establishing a national 'Accident Compensation Commision' which everyone is levied to pay for at a rate depending upon occupation.  Thinks like motor registration also include an ACC levy.  So if you a snooping around my shop and get part of your anatomy wound up in my feed screw that is an 'accident' and you will be compensated and treatment paid for accordingly including a permanent income compensation if the injury renders you unable to work for the rest of your life,  if you do not survive the experience there is a sum to pay for a box to put your carcase in.  No lawyers involved.  It also covers such things as physio therapy for sports injuries.

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Re: our trade goes by. its a shame
« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2009, 07:36:45 PM »
Anything that takes lawyers and insurance robbers out of the equation, I am for.
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Re: our trade goes by. its a shame
« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2009, 08:42:00 PM »
You know I agree with Bogs!. An irony is that I was a little Bugger while I was young and loved stealing cars, not Bangers I loved luxury cars, BMW, Mercs, Land Rovers all that!. I was before the Judge and he said quote(  you have two choices boot camp  or  Borstall” or you go to trade school. ) then he tacked on the fact that if I did not complete my apprenticeship my prison term would be enacted.
I settled for the trade,  then I settled down. Discipline is key and harmony to society. Nothing wrong with waking up little tyrants. Discipline does not create hurt! It installs values.
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Re: our trade goes by. its a shame
« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2009, 12:21:30 PM »
I have a few friends in the teaching profession-- up through 16 year olds.  Without exception they say the single factor that influences how a kid does is parental (and grand-parental) involvement.  That's us.  With that, they do great, without, they're holy terrors.  What frightens the teachers is over the past 10-20 years they've seen a major decline in parental involvement, with the parents expecting the school to educate, discipline and take full care of the kids while they go off and entertain themselves as if they never had kids.

That "somebody else should take care of them because I'm too busy with myself" attitude drives a lot of the regulation we now have to put up with.  Before if a kid that should know better did something stupid, we'd blame the kid.  Now we blame (and sue) the system for not preventing the poor dear from 'expressing himself'.  So no lathes for you; you might stick your finger in the chuck and hurt yourself and your parents might sue because we didn't prevent you from doing something you knew was stupid or dangerous.