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BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« on: August 01, 2010, 05:04:16 PM »
Hi
I have just acuired a boxford AUD mark 2 long bed lathe
It was stripped down in to its main parts so i put all i could carry in the back of my car .
I will have to wait untill next week end to get thew bed and stand.
It all seems in good concition (the odd nut and bolt ar missing as it has been stripped for 10 years)
The machine is imperial (i like thous).
It is 3 phase so i will be needing advice on inverters , i converted my bantam to single phase and regret doing so.







on the down side i broke my finger  :( :( :( :( :( at work


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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2010, 09:17:04 PM »
Cr@p! Sorry about the finger!

The lathe however is going to be nice. The parts you have so far look to be decent quality.

BTW... What is that in the background of the second to the last picture? Have I seen it before? Looks like a cylinder...

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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2010, 02:13:40 AM »
That looks in very nice condition...... Well done!   :clap:

Apart from the finger......

I hope all components are soon happily sorted/ assembled/ healed.   :thumbup:

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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2010, 03:58:28 AM »
Cr@p! Sorry about the finger!

The lathe however is going to be nice. The parts you have so far look to be decent quality.

BTW... What is that in the background of the second to the last picture? Have I seen it before? Looks like a cylinder...

Eric

I noticed that too, Eric ... not a cylinder, but two in a Vee Twin I think ...

Somewhat like a fairly large design by John Haining, but not sure ..

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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2010, 03:58:59 AM »
Hi, nice find!

I have a Boxford Model A and I`ve just started to strip mine down and clean it up as it doesn`t seem to have been done in 50 years. Looks at your photos, mine looks identical! Here my thread: http://madmodder.net/index.php?topic=1231.0

It seems a great lathe. Mine was single phase but I`ve managed to source a Brooke Crompton 3 Phase motor which is a direct replacement and have just purchased a 1hp inverter and pendant off Gavin on homeworkshop. He seems to have a lot of inverters for sale and considering they are ready to go and come with a pendant I think the prices are very reasonable. They don`t go for much less on ebay auctions (more at Buy Now) and most of the time they are listed as not working. Here is the thread on wiring the inverter - it hasn`t arrived yet but some questions have been answered and you may find it useful. http://madmodder.net/index.php?topic=3420.0    

Does your threee phase motor say that it is 230v and can be wired Delta?    

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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2010, 04:01:14 AM »
By the way, have you thought how your going to tighten the bolts on the headstock when you fit it to the bed???  You can`t get a spanner in there for enough leverage for a turn!! I can`t get mine off but heard on the yahoo boxford groups that you can get one of those cheap bike spanners and bend it! :S
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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2010, 04:34:23 AM »
Hi  great find,  looking forward to getting this back together.   :D

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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2010, 05:20:29 AM »
 :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Nice one John ,,,,,,,, i mean the lathe ,, not the finger  :lol: :lol:  

Giz a lend of that Travelling steady so i can cast one  :D


THE V TWIN   http://madmodder.net/index.php?topic=3200.0



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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2010, 05:39:21 AM »
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Nice one John ,,,,,,,, i mean the lathe ,, not the finger  :lol: :lol:  

Giz a lend of that Travelling steady so i can cast one  :D


THE V TWIN   http://madmodder.net/index.php?topic=3200.0



Rob


Ah! wrong again ... J H did do a fairly large Vee-twin  some years ago in ME IIRC

Tks Rob, ..... BTW, comforting to notice you are still fine tuning your Skiving skills .... :lol:

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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2010, 02:08:42 PM »


Giz a lend of that Travelling steady so i can cast one  :D



...or two  :ddb:  :poke: :ddb:  :poke: :ddb:
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2010, 02:30:00 PM »


Giz a lend of that Travelling steady so i can cast one  :D



...or two  :ddb:  :poke: :ddb:  :poke: :ddb:

Maybe  :D :D :D


Dave , i was not skiving  ::)  me van has broke  :) was waiting for recovery wagon  :coffee:


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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2010, 04:16:50 PM »
Ah! so the van was broke ....

A likely tale ...


My best one was   .... a horse has eaten my motorbike ......  :lol:  :lol:

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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2010, 05:05:29 PM »
Got the rest of the lathe this week


I bought a 1 hp inverter drive from drives direct (got a good deal on a ebay auction)
The brook crompton motor was already wired in delta 220 volt mode

I wired it all up this morning after a bit play i read the set up instructions it works great of the remote pot & reverse switch.
I cant wait to get the cabinet painted so i can assemble the lathe .
I sold my bantam to fund this so now i have no lathe , it is a very strange feeling (a bit like having no cigaretts) :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2010, 05:11:00 PM »
I forgot to mention this has a 48 inch bed quite rare so i have been told (i dont think i will be using the full length )but you never know  :D :D :D

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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2010, 05:36:49 PM »
Hi doubleboost. I was wondering if you could help me. I`ve got the Boxford Model A but it seems that the cross slide and compound slide, infact the hole of the saddle looks the same. I`m having problems with a grinding feeling during travel of the slides and also the cross slide has movement and a small gap of about 1mm appears between the graduated dial and the handle. I have been told that both slides run on a thrust bearing but when I dismantled mine there was no bearing that I could see unless I couldn`t tell that is what it was. Can you tell me, was there any bearings in your cross and compound slides? I can`t seem to find any exploded diagram of how the axis should be assembled so don`t know if it is incorrect or just worn. Someone has placed a washer on the cross slide to take up the slack so clearly that isn`t as it should be!

Any info on how yours went together would be great.

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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2010, 05:54:48 PM »
Hi
Chris
I took both the slides apart they should have a thrust bearing in them it is a plastic spacer with ball bearings set in .
The washers these run on wear and give the gritty feel you describe .
I simply reversed the washers on mine but they are no silky smooth by any means
John

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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2010, 06:08:22 PM »
I forgot to mention this has a 48 inch bed quite rare so i have been told (i dont think i will be using the full length )but you never know  :D :D :D

Size in not everything  ::) ::) ::) gear box is at the wrong end  :coffee:


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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2010, 06:14:02 PM »
was thinking of using 2 i have the room  :) :) :) :)
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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2010, 06:52:30 PM »
new i should have drove off with it ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, when you got oot the van  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2010, 06:54:53 PM »
Sorry to be a pain but where abouts exactly should these thrust bearings be?

I can`t get down to the lathe right this second, but from memory: I can remove the handle, then the graduated dial splits in two with a recess in one side that allows the two to fit together, then your into the casting of the main axis/scross slide itself - of course with the leadscrew threading through the middle of all this. I`m just trying to understand where this thrust bearing sits. I take it there must be a recess for it?

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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2010, 10:12:50 AM »
Hi
Chris
When you remove the handle and graduated wheel there will be a steel washer the bearing is behind this , there is also one on the inside .
It is the washers that wear and give the gritty feel

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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2010, 11:15:50 AM »
Ok cheers, I have just taken mine apart again and this part is
missing and I can't see a steel washer. I can remove the handle and the graduated dial is I two parts. I can't afford a bearing from boxford so I'll have to orderone from arc euro. Should the thrust bearing be placed behind the graduated dial. Problem is, the thrust bearings by arc euro are not bearings mounted in plastic but seem from the picture to be encased in metal surround. I think this will still be better than using a standard washer to take up the slack like currently present, it's just where to fit it.
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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2010, 03:45:57 PM »
Got the cabinet cleaned up and painted

Assembly time is getting near  :D :D :D :) :) :)

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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2010, 05:37:15 AM »
I can't afford a bearing from boxford so I'll have to order one from arc euro. Should the thrust bearing be placed behind the graduated dial. Problem is, ......... it's just where to fit it.

Hello Chris,
I've just noticed your queries. I used to have the spares list for a Boxford, but it went for a ball o' chalk when my HDD died. However, as I recall, there should be two thrust bearings, one to work in each direction. I think the designation will be FT3/8 eg ebay #190352728918 and 'a bearing' comprises two hardened thrust washers separated by a ring of caged balls. FT is a light series ball-thrust bearing, 3/8 is the nominal shaft diameter.

I'm struggling to remember the exact mounting details, but I am pretty sure there is one bearing inside the dial and one at the other end of the 'stem' that mounts the feedscrew to the carriage. I have a different Southbend copy and it retains the original plain bearing arrangement so I can't go and look.

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Re: BROUGHT A NEW TOY HOME
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2010, 05:59:08 PM »
Hi
Got the lathe assembled (really easy to work on just like a mechano set ) :D :D :D :D
The inverter worked fine but the lathe was noisy .
I replaced the counter shaft bearings but still it was not rite,
Only one thing for it strip the headstock

The internals were very good but the back bearing was dry
The grease hole to this bearing was blocked (with a broken drill) i think it left the factory this way
I drilled a new hole to supply grease to the bearing

Once cleaned up and reassembled it sounds like a different machine  :D :D :) :) :)
Time to reorganise the shop  :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: