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Offline bilhar

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A frame hoist build
« on: September 21, 2010, 06:18:41 PM »
I have built a workshop not quite finished, but I am eager to kit it out

so I bought a nearly new crusader deluxe lathe .  

Problem is it weighs according to the spec it weighs 450 kg,  other then take  
chuck and tail-stock off I am reluctant to de-assembly any further. To lighten the weight  

   So I need to lift the lathe off    flat truck  cab star.    Down 6 meter the long side of the house  approx  1.2 meters wide,   across 3meters of the patio without breaking the slab  then raise it 18 inch  on to higher the lawn then across 5 meter of grass. Without damage  to the grass as I just regrew it   because after whole garden looking  building site for a long time while building the workshop. I don't think wife going to best pleased.  

So this project will getting the lathe into my workshop  

my idea is to build a A frame  as I am unable to hire anything suitable. then  afterwards turn the A frame into a long metal table for the workshop

 pictures to follow

any suggestion gratefully received    


« Last Edit: September 22, 2010, 03:56:24 AM by bilhar »

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Re: A frame hoist build
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2010, 07:11:35 PM »
How about an engine hoist? We can rent them around here... maybe you can over there? The only issue I see would be the lawn. Might have to place wood sheets down to give the wheels something to roll on and tear up SWMBOs lawn.

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Re: A frame hoist build
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2010, 07:12:36 PM »
Oh... welcome to the collective :borg:

Pictures of the new workshop are a requirement (well not really, but we like em!). Whatcha gonna make in the shop?

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Re: A frame hoist build
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2010, 08:14:23 PM »
Hi and congratulations on the new shop!

I have a lathe that is practically identical to the Crusader and I am very satified with it and I am sure you will enjoy yours too when you get it installed.

If it is standing on its stands it will be very top heavy and the machine is heavy enough to do serious damage to itself and to you if it should topple.

Considering where you have to move it  I think an engine hoist, in fact anything with wheels, would not be suitable.

In my opinion the very best thing would be to contact your local piano movers who will have men well experienced in carefully carying loads in the sort of places you are talking about.  If the piano movers are out of the question you could spend some time at the bar of your local rugby club explaining your problem.

Good luck with the move.
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Re: A frame hoist build
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2010, 05:28:27 AM »
Thanks for the replies

Yes I will have take it of the stand as its top heavy  but  it looks an easy job.
the engine hoist would be unsuitable as I will have to to roll it over pato slab and grass also has to fit in side of the house  

so this is my idea

build A frame   this will enable me to lift it of the truck.

  If I hire transport with on board hoist I been quoted 400 pounds  then they can only put it on my drive way.    

Make the hoist 4 meters long then I shold be able to move it 3 meter at a time then move the a frame.  Should work ??

How do I make phots smaller
 as to what i going to make they so many inspiring projects and idea on this forum i dont know which one to have a go at first.


« Last Edit: September 22, 2010, 05:38:02 AM by bilhar »

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Re: A frame hoist build
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2010, 06:23:16 AM »
If you have it off the stand, You could just drag it on a piece of ply wood? Or put pipe rollers under the plywood. I've moved stuff that way.
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Re: A frame hoist build
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2010, 07:05:56 AM »
hi powder keg 

yes I will taking the stand off and  90 percent of the move can be done as you say    but i have get get it off the lorry

which stand a meter high   then i have to raise it roughly 18 inch from the patio to the lawn.  then I would need a lot people to help me
 knowing the friends i know it will just turn into a party lot of alcohol will be drink  next day i will have a hang over with the lathe in the middle of the patio

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Re: A frame hoist build
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2010, 07:24:44 AM »
Hi,

I have exactly the same lathe as yourself, with the same sort of problems. Actually I have had two, I wasn't happy with the first one, so they had to come back and swap it over.

Both times it was moved with an engine hoist, bit of a pallet and lengths of plywood sheet. There is no easy way around it.

The first time it was installed was by a moving specialist, and took about 3 hours from getting the machine off the back of his truck to actually having it in position in my shop, at a cost of 300 squid (but that included a lot of travelling costs). The second time it was free and Chester UK did the humping, with a lot of advice from myself. Without it, it would still be sitting on their truck, and it took them about 6 hours. The main problems is going up and down steps, and having to dismantle and reassemble the lifting equipment.

The motor can come off to reduce weight, but you need to leave the saddle on to balance the head end.

In all honesty, if you could hire four strapping lads for half an hour, a couple of strops and scaffold bars, it could be off your truck and in your shop in less than five or ten minutes just by manhandling it. As soon as you start to use hoists, trucks, jacks, sheets of wood etc, things get very awkwards, very quickly, and it can take hours.

This is how the chap got my mill into the shop, 4 hours, and most probably only half the distance you have to go.

http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/index.php?topic=2314.msg23091#msg23091

He was the one that moved the lathe into the shop, but I didn't get any shots of the progress

http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/index.php?topic=2314.msg24991#msg24991

You have a major problem on your hands, all I can suggest is don't bother with the gantry, go manual.


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Re: A frame hoist build
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2010, 09:29:25 AM »
Hi bilhar  :wave:

Welcome to the collective.  :borg:

Here's a thread I wrote about getting my Bridgeport into the basement. Not quite the same, but it may give you some idea's on moving something heavy. http://madmodder.net/index.php?topic=381.0

Good luck getting your lathe set up.

As far as the pictures go, I use the software that comes with my digital camera. It usally has an operation where you can size the picturres. Others use Photobucket and such places to store there pics.

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Re: A frame hoist build
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2010, 06:22:08 PM »
i decided to heed the  advice above and abandon the A frame idea. so I ordered engine host from ebay.

use the material instead to build a large table.

below some picture of the workshop i am building  5m X 5m  breeze block claded two side with timber













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Re: A frame hoist build
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2010, 06:34:09 PM »
Nice workshop you have there.

I'd say you've got some very nice natrual lighting there too.  :)

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Re: A frame hoist build
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2011, 05:50:00 AM »



















update  with the break in the weather i managed to move the lathe and the milling machine  now all i need is ideas to make something looking forward to this year
« Last Edit: January 05, 2011, 09:17:00 AM by bilhar »

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Re: A frame hoist build
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2011, 01:58:59 PM »
Those cupboards are great. Are they suspended from a track above or just the side runners?
Id like to make something like that when the time comes this year.

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Re: A frame hoist build
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2011, 02:46:04 PM »
just the sides  the rails are 120kg capacity ballbearing  can be moved with one finger  the ones on the ground have 50 mill wheels but they need both hands to move