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Hit n Miss Engine ,,,,to MR D Kerzel's design
« on: April 25, 2011, 05:29:49 AM »
Hi LADS  :wave:

I thought for a change i would have ago at build an engine , instead of messing around fixing up the shop and building furnaces ,, i fancy for a change something small ,from bar stock ,,,,,,,,was going to be a Webster but then i remembered Chris has one on the go right now  ,, so it will be a Kerzel engine .

The plans are free here ,,,  http://www.floridaame.org/GalleryPages/g1h0106.htm   ,,looking over the drawings it looks a well thought out engine ,,,,,,,,,,with the size of this engine being small i may have ago at making some of the parts on my small CNC mill  ,,,,So far the mill has just sat there on the end of the bench doing nowt  :whip:


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Re: Hit n Miss Engine ,,,,to MR D Kerzel's design
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2011, 05:57:19 AM »
Looking good Rob, at last you have something to do  :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Hit n Miss Engine ,,,,to MR D Kerzel's design
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2011, 07:08:39 AM »
Hi Rob, you should be a Webster, it`d show people how it should be done rather than my poor attempt  :doh:

I looked at the Kerzel engine, looks a nice design but I must admit I then got consumed by the Nemett NE15s but choose the Webster as it is easier.   http://modelenginenews.org/cardfile/images/ne15s1.jpg

Good luck with your build, I look forward to reading more.

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Re: Hit n Miss Engine ,,,,to MR D Kerzel's design
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2011, 07:30:44 AM »
That really looks to be a nice compact engine to build Rob.

I looked at it a few years ago, then dropped the idea when the Westbury Whippet came along my way. I wish I had done that one instead of the Whippet, as that sits unfinished (but running) on a top shelf.

Keep us well posted.


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Re: Hit n Miss Engine ,,,,to MR D Kerzel's design
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2011, 10:25:57 AM »
Hi Rob, I took a look at the link you posted, and that looks like a very nice build to set about.  I will be following closely, as it looks like one I'd like to build too.  This should turn out to be a beauty when you're done.  :beer: Cheers, Jack

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Re: Hit n Miss Engine ,,,,to MR D Kerzel's design
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2011, 02:17:10 PM »
Nice little engine that is for sure. This will be a good project  :headbang:
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Re: Hit n Miss Engine ,,,,to MR D Kerzel's design
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2011, 03:16:23 PM »
Thats a nice little-un Rob, by the looks of it you could cast some of the parts up (water jacket) if you were of a mind.

Look forward to following the build especially your CNC parts.

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Re: Hit n Miss Engine ,,,,to MR D Kerzel's design
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2011, 03:33:16 PM »
That looks a bit nice Rob!  :thumbup:

Looking forward to watching your progress.....   

Good luck!  :wave:

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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2011, 03:45:10 PM »
Looking good Rob, at last you have something to do  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Cheers Benni  :poke: :poke: :)


Hi Rob, you should be a Webster, it`d show people how it should be done rather than my poor attempt  :doh:
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Hi Chris ,,,,,,,,,,,, nothing wrong with your engine build mate , your doing a fine job  :thumbup:,,,,,,,, any way get your finger out  :whip: :whip: :whip:  :)


That really looks to be a nice compact engine to build Rob.

I looked at it a few years ago, then dropped the idea when the Westbury Whippet came along my way. I wish I had done that one instead of the Whippet, as that sits unfinished (but running) on a top shelf.

Keep us well posted.


John

Hi John ,,,, the engine looks well proportioned and as you say compact ,, :med:  ,,,,,,,,,,, Westbrury Whippet ,,,  have not come across that engine ,,photo please  :poke: :)

do you have any plans to finish it  :dremel:

Hi Rob, I took a look at the link you posted, and that looks like a very nice build to set about.  I will be following closely, as it looks like one I'd like to build too.  This should turn out to be a beauty when you're done.  :beer: Cheers, Jack

Hi Jack ,,,,,,,,,,,,, i just hope i can do it justice and i get a good runner  :dremel:


Nice little engine that is for sure. This will be a good project  :headbang:


Cheers Eric ,,,,,,,,,, You not fancy building one  :poke: :poke: :poke: :poke: :poke: :)


Thats a nice little-un Rob, by the looks of it you could cast some of the parts up (water jacket) if you were of a mind.

Look forward to following the build especially your CNC parts.

Stew

Hi Stew ,,,,,,,,,, Staying away from castings on this one ,,,, building it as close to the drawings as possible  :med: 

That looks a bit nice Rob!  :thumbup:

Looking forward to watching your progress.....   

Good luck!  :wave:

David D

Thanks David  :beer:


Suppose i better get things moving


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Re: Hit n Miss Engine ,,,,to MR D Kerzel's design
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2011, 04:06:30 PM »
Rob

The Whippet was a w/cooled SV engine. In those days long ago when I faffed with model boats, I seem to recall one in a large cabin cruiser model.

Also, but not sure, there was a 2-cyl SV w/cooled engine from ETW..

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Got the book. No chance of doing the engine though ...  :(

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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2011, 05:13:38 PM »
Were off  :D

Probably way way to many photos and stuff thats all been seen before  :doh:  any way here is how i go about doing stuff  :)

First off started with the base ,, page one and as good a place to start as any were ,, a length of 2"x 3/4" ally bar was machined to 3 3/4" long , the plans call for it to be profiled to form two up stands ,, i deviated slightly from the design  just so i could do it in one set up .

I am using a 1/4" radius cutter for the job in the HZ mill ,, working from one edge as a datum , and using the dials for position .
finding the edge using a feeler gauge
 
Then the first section was machined

then i moved across machining the other areas , leaving the two up stands


After machining with the radius cutter there was left a raized section in the middle , this was then machined flat


The base just needs marking out and drilled for the fixings



Next the cylinder body ,, page three ,,, this calls for a block of ally to be machine up nice and square to start with .
The sawn block was placed in the machine vice and set up square using a DTI on the vertical side so that the upper face will be machined square to it .





Now that i have that face flat and square the block was reposition with that face down on  the vice , i use my hight gauge all over the shop for measuring ,not just marking out .
Setting the gauge to zero on the bottom of the vice , using that as a datum , then adjusting it to read 57.91mm  the hight the block needs to be machined to , then zero it in that position .



A light skim was then taken off the block and the block measured .

2.34mm to come off



With the cylinder block milled to size ,its time to move to the lathe , the centre for the bore was marked out and lightly centre punched , now the block is set up in the four jaw chuck ,using some offcuts of ally so that the jaws dont mark the block ,, i do this flat on the bench so that i am not fiddling about trying to hold everything in place , using the Mark 1 eyeball to get things in the approximate position .


Then just fit the chuck to the lathe , using a spring loaded centre in the centre punch mark the job is then clocked in .

Next ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ( i am going on a tad ) ,,,,,,,,, drilled and bored to size .


On the last few cuts the tool is ran through at the same setting to remove any tapper in the bore ,, i use inside calliper or bore gauges to measure the bore at each end , both need a bit of practice to get the feel of ,, but well worth doing ,,, much better than using those pointy things on verniers .




With the bore sorted next comes an under cut section to allow water around the cylinder , i am using a tool i made for another project , this is a length of 1/4" HSS   heated up and bent , then the cutting edges were ground .


The tool was set square to the job using the back face of the block .

Using the lathe dials the position of the under cut was locate and machined , and also the recess for the cylinder liner .
 
Next using a 6mm button tool the front face was machined , a smaller radius would be better , but the 3mm radius the tool will leave matches a milling cutter i will use on the rest of the job .



Thats it for now  ::)


Rob




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Re: Hit n Miss Engine ,,,,to MR D Kerzel's design
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2011, 05:21:17 PM »
I reckon it will be running by next monday  :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
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Re: Hit n Miss Engine ,,,,to MR D Kerzel's design
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2011, 06:02:04 PM »
 :bugeye: Good going mate  :bow: - you're sure not wasting time 'round toon on this one  :D
Looking forward to the rest - now mind you don't slow up and get distracted with decorating again :palm:

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Re: Hit n Miss Engine ,,,,to MR D Kerzel's design
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2011, 07:18:03 PM »
Looking good Rob, nice to see you doing something  :lol: :lol:
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Re: Hit n Miss Engine ,,,,to MR D Kerzel's design
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2011, 07:31:26 PM »
Holy cr@p Rob. You aren't wasting time are you???  I would still be thinking about it!

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Re: Hit n Miss Engine ,,,,to MR D Kerzel's design
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2011, 08:17:37 PM »
At the rate you're going, this is going to be done in your second post, Rob.  No grass growing under your feet,
buddy.  Looking great so far!
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Re: Hit n Miss Engine ,,,,to MR D Kerzel's design
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2011, 08:33:43 PM »
Hi rob
thats sure looking great
on my Kerzel, I made the bobin center wider to get more clearance for the lockout lever (from memory 4mm) so you may find it helpfull when u make the crank to leave it a little long that side,If you dont need it you can cut it off later :thumbup:
mine has only the oiler left to make and at this stage only runs for 5 seconds or so, probably due more to my poor ignition system than anything else.
maybe you will inspire me to get of my bum and get it done  :beer:
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Re: Hit n Miss Engine ,,,,to MR D Kerzel's design
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2011, 01:34:08 AM »
You certainly got stuck into that Rob,  :thumbup:

Great set of pics, I knew I'd enjoy this build.

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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2011, 02:02:41 AM »
Well...... That took off like a rocket!  :bugeye:  :D

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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2011, 06:28:53 AM »
Goodness me Rob, that took off rather quickish, I didn't have time to reply to your question.

Here it is, my Westbury Whippet, still on it's test stand and after having a couple of tanks of fuel thru it (well over an hours almost non stop running). It's a single cylinder, wet sump, water cooled four stroke side valve engine.

And no, at this time I hate the damned thing, the castings were the worst I have ever handled, but maybe later I will come to like it again, and maybe finish it off.


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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2011, 11:26:49 AM »
Cheers for looking in Lads  :thumbup:






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Hi John

I must have missed that engine when at your shop   :scratch:,,,,,,,,,,, looks an interesting   engine to build ,, i will have a look and see if i have the build artical .
I hope one day you get round to finishing it ,,, would be good to see it running  :med:



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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2011, 11:50:15 AM »
Rob,

What put me off was the quality of the castings, and even Hemingway can't get them right after taking them over from Woking Precision. They really are almost unuseable as they come.

They tried to get one well known website to make a pair, and it has died after getting about 2/3rds into it, so I suspect they hit the same problems I did. At least, mine now runs OK.

I think we have a set of plans knocking about somewhere.


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Re: Hit n Miss Engine ,,,,to MR D Kerzel's design
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2011, 11:59:31 AM »
Dam shame about the castings John


Were they no were near size ?


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Re: Hit n Miss Engine ,,,,to MR D Kerzel's design
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2011, 12:19:41 PM »
Looks like I better get down the post office with your corian in a hurry. That slab mill soon reduces things to swarf.

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« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2011, 02:02:28 PM »
Wow I stayed in bed a little later today, good job the phone rang, I would have missed it all. :) :) :)

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