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Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« on: April 26, 2011, 04:39:16 PM »
Dave Stilldrillin' was in a bit of a quandry.

Having destroyed his original displacer for the engine he was restoring, whilst trying to repair it, and subsequent efforts to get a replacement to fit, to no avail, I stepped in and offered to make him one to the dimensions he would supply me. This is the story of that journey.


This is the info that was supplied. More than enough to make the part, and I had free reign with some of the figures.




Not having the want to start to do any spinning at this time, I decided to work from the solid, and if I did things right, no problems should occur.

So grabbing a bit of brass bar end, it was soon faced off and taken thru the usual state of drilling out to remove most of the internal metal.




Next came the boring out to width and depth.
If you notice, all the work on this part is done OUTSIDE of the chuck jaws. Once you start to get thin walls and boring out inside the jaws, problems of distortion start to occur, and it is very easy for something to 'grab' and start on a journey of destruction. I think that is what happened to Dave's original.




Once the internal bore was to size, a small recess was put in to take the later to be fitted top plate.




All things had been calculated out to have 0.030" thick walls, so it was then turned down to size. It 'sang' a little as I started to get thinner and thinner walls, but by taking it steady, I managed to keep the chatter marks at bay.




This is the first time I had used my deep parting tool since I repaired it, and it parted off with no trouble at all, leaving a 0.040" thick base.




After a bit of a clean up, the 'cup' was ready to have a top made for it.
I piece of 0.060" thick brass plate was marked up roughly with what was needed.




Cone drills do a great job of drilling thin sheet, and this was no exception, hole spot on size and no distortion.




A quick date with Mr Bandsaw had the rough circle cut out.




To make things easier for me, I used a special bit of kit, an expanding mandrel. I also used my recently made 'nudger' tool for getting it perfectly straight.




A gentle bit of outside turning had the lid spot on size. I don't want a gap for silver solder penetration, I am going to do all the joining for this part on the surface.




I cut a chamfer on the top edge for the solder to sit in. It can't be seen very well here.




The mounting 'cup' was then made, and this will be silver soldered first to the under side of the lid.




This shows the top face of the lid and how it will look. You can see the chamfer much better in this shot.

BTW, the reason I don't want the solder and flux penetrating inside the displacer is that I won't be able to clean it out after soldering. By keeping it on the surface, I will have no trouble cleaning things up.




Silver soldering in the cup. The usual practice of flux up, a ring of solder wire and heating from underneath until everything flowed.




I forgot to take pictures of the rest of the soldering up, so here is a shot of the finished item after just a little clean up.




I now needed to remove 0.010" from both the top and bottom faces of the displacer, to get them to the correct thickness, and to remove excess silver solder from the top face.
For this exercise you need as much support from the chuck jaws as possible without massive gripping power that will distort what you have already done, so out came the soft jaws, which were bored to fit the displacer perfectly.




By gently gripping the part in the chuck jaws, the faces were skimmed up and finished off with a bit of fine emery.




After finishing off the displacer, a stepped 3/16" rod was made to the correct length and to fit the thread I had machined into the cup (4mm)




The finished article.




I just hope it works OK


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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2011, 04:44:01 PM »
Nicely done John  :clap: :clap: :clap:  that should do the trick  :dremel:

Its a shame it cant be seen  when fitted to the engine  :doh:


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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2011, 05:11:21 PM »
very nice  :bow: :bow:

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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2011, 05:48:02 PM »
Looks great and I`m sure Dave will be pleased. I`m in the need of something similar in my fuel tank build for the Webster so that post really helped.

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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2011, 06:11:20 PM »
Nice work  :thumbup: :thumbup: :clap:
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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2011, 06:33:30 PM »
Hi John.

There was some really “fancy” machining going on there. Showing all the skill and art of a master. :clap:

Exceptionally Good. :clap:


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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2011, 06:37:28 PM »
Nice job John, and it looks great.
I've made a number of displacer cans, and come across the "singing" you mentioned.  Putting a wet
piece of cloth or paper towel inside the piece stops the singing and vibrations. 

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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2011, 09:25:00 PM »
John

Nice job as usual John. You always make the difficult jobs look so easy.  :D

Cheers  :beer:

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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2011, 10:40:32 PM »
Thank you all gents for the kind comments, amd I would like to reply to a few of them.

Rob,

Even though not seen, I am sure you are like myself, no matter how mundane the job, it deserves to be finished to the best of my ability. It only takes a couple of extra minutes, so it gets done.


Dave H,

Not a master at all, just someone who takes things steady and thinks everything thru before doing anything. Being prepared to do the job is 90% of the job done beforehand, the rest is just taking things easy and not rushing.
OK, I do have a fair arsenal of specialist tooling at my disposal, but that only helps mainly with the set up times, normal methods work just as well.


Dean,

I feel such a drip for not remembering to do the soaked cloth tip, but it didn't spring to mind at the time as I was getting on OK. Next time I do something similar to this, I might be able to remember and give it a try out.


Thank you again merry men for the encouragement.


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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2011, 03:05:07 AM »
Good work as usual John

Hope you are delivering this by hand and not trusting the royal emails gently touch  :(


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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2011, 03:24:55 AM »
Unfortunately Stuart, I can get to the post office on my electric buggy, but not much further.

It will be well packed, if ever you can say 'post office proof', and sent by whichever service Dave requires, either overnight, expensive, or normal snail mail, almost as expensive, but a lot slower.


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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2011, 03:31:35 AM »
I could take it to Harrogate with me and hand it over to Dave, I think he's going  :scratch:

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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2011, 03:42:17 AM »
Hi Troops

I'm coming to Johns place on Sat. 30 th ..

Also will see Dave SD soon, so maybe I could pick it up Sat. ?? And perchance go to Dave SD's on Sunday PM ??

Where's Mr. SD ??

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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2011, 12:17:48 PM »
Hi John, one thing I learned in soldering is making cleaning and preparation of the parts 90% of the job means it almost always goes perfectly, and almost always ends up exactly right.  All this talk among you about posting, and maybe coming by and visiting, and the offers from others who happen to be stopping by makes me a bit jealous for being on the other side of the pond.  I've taken a fancy to the way you Englishmen take what we call a "hobby" and call it for what it is:  model engineering, and often the fact it is smaller than life makes it a greater challenge than the real thing.  You all have a better perspective on the actual work which goes into building these things, and a greater appreciation for the skill and techniques which are involved, so I tend to hang out on the site where there is more Brits than Americans, I think.  Makes me wish I could just "pop in for a visit".   :beer:  Cheers, Jack

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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2011, 12:27:10 PM »
Nice job John. Much like art that piece is...  :thumbup:

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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2011, 03:58:48 PM »
John.
That is beautiful:bugeye:  :clap: :clap:

As is the feeling of relief.... One more, unexpected round tuit, sorted.......   :D

Thank you for the kind thought, turning a favour into another excellent shared project.  :thumbup:



Dave BC.
That transport solution sounds like a plan!

Incidentally, I've found your taps..... They were where I'd put 'em..... I think!  :scratch:

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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2011, 04:10:13 PM »

That transport solution sounds like a plan!

Incidentally, I've found your taps..... They were where I'd put 'em..... I think!  :scratch:

David D

Just been discussing transport of displacer with John on Skype.

We wondered where you had gone to.

Don't you get too fond of my taps and dies    :D    ... I'm sure they are pining for me ... :(

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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2011, 04:56:56 PM »
David,

Glad to help a fellow model engineer in distress, and as you said, it might help someone else in the same sort of predicament, by me showing how I did it.



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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2011, 05:49:14 PM »

Just been discussing transport of displacer with John on Skype.

We wondered where you had gone to.

Dave BC

Had a very long day..... Involving intense activity with baby grandaughter, and Mrs. Drillin......  ::)

Now back to what passes for normal activities, until next time!  :thumbup:

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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2011, 11:39:06 PM »
Jack,

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All this talk among you about posting, and maybe coming by and visiting, and the offers from others who happen to be stopping by makes me a bit jealous for being on the other side of the pond.

What I think people don't realise is just how ingrained engineering is in our UK blood.

We have been inventing and making things forever, and it was also passed around the world when we still had an Empire. That inventiveness and the wish to make things is still there, and lots of individuals in this country still while away the hours in their little sheds and workshops, burning the midnight oil.

Even in the fairly small town I live in, population of around 70K, there are hundreds of practicing model engineers, so it is only natural for a few of us to get together every now and then to beat our gums a while, and to help each other out, it is just a thing we do.

But it isn't just that.

A few of us have the desire to help others, no matter where they hail from. I personally have made lots of bits and pieces and sent them to the US, into Europe and the Antipodes, all in the name of friendship between fellow model engineers, never ever having met them face to face, and most, only thru email contact, but a lot have become sort of personal friends, because I personally made the effort to encourage that friendship.

It is up to the individual if he wants to become a member of that worldwide group, where race, colour, creed and how much money you have has no bearing at all, just the desire to share knowledge and help between ourselves. Forums help a lot, but sometimes it needs that personal touch.


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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2011, 01:01:11 AM »
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Had a very long day..... Involving intense activity with baby grandaughter, and Mrs. Drillin...... 

I bet your nackered  :D

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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2011, 02:10:33 AM »
Nackered = Tired, worn out, done in, fagged, buggered, bosted, chin strapped, shagged, f****d:- thats just a few from the top of my head.

I'm sure there will be quite a few more out their

Its a rich old language.
 
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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2011, 02:12:19 AM »

Don't you get too fond of my taps and dies    :D    ... I'm sure they are pining for me ... :(

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I bet your nackered  :D

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Carried her around town. Trollied her around Morrison's.  ::)

We're doing it all again tomorrow...... Love her dearly. But!  :bang:



Add that one to the list of words that don't exist on this side of the pond, ... "nackered".  Didn't find it in the regular dictionary.  Didn't find it in the slang dictionary.  Didn't find it in my book of speaking Brit dictionary, but rather found it in a British slang dictionary.   I even had to tell google to do an extended search in documents with that spelling because it didn't find it first pass for anything logged state side.   

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I guess that word has been around since Victorian times. When worn out horses were taken to the knacker's yard.

And yes I/ we are "worn out"......

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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2011, 02:17:33 AM »
Jack,

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All this talk among you about posting, and maybe coming by and visiting, and the offers from others who happen to be stopping by makes me a bit jealous for being on the other side of the pond.

What I think people don't realise is just how ingrained engineering is in our UK blood.

We have been inventing and making things forever, and it was also passed around the world when we still had an Empire. That inventiveness and the wish to make things is still there, and lots of individuals in this country still while away the hours in their little sheds and workshops, burning the midnight oil.

Even in the fairly small town I live in, population of around 70K, there are hundreds of practicing model engineers, so it is only natural for a few of us to get together every now and then to beat our gums a while, and to help each other out, it is just a thing we do.

But it isn't just that.

A few of us have the desire to help others, no matter where they hail from. I personally have made lots of bits and pieces and sent them to the US, into Europe and the Antipodes, all in the name of friendship between fellow model engineers, never ever having met them face to face, and most, only thru email contact, but a lot have become sort of personal friends, because I personally made the effort to encourage that friendship.

It is up to the individual if he wants to become a member of that worldwide group, where race, colour, creed and how much money you have has no bearing at all, just the desire to share knowledge and help between ourselves. Forums help a lot, but sometimes it needs that personal touch.

John

That's a crackin' reply/ explanation John!   :D

Concise, and to the point......:clap: :clap: :thumbup:

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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2011, 02:22:18 AM »
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Stew.
The little 'un arrived 06.30, and stayed all day...... Our shopping etc day!
Carried her around town. Trollied her around Morrison's.  

We're doing it all again tomorrow...... Love her dearly. But!  

Arn't they just great at that age, every minute of every day they're doing something new.

I was beginning to dispare at becoming a grandad, then we have two come along within 6 months of each other, love every moment of their company.

And yes they tire me/us out as well.

Stew

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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2011, 02:28:43 AM »
Jack,

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All this talk among you about posting, and maybe coming by and visiting, and the offers from others who happen to be stopping by makes me a bit jealous for being on the other side of the pond.

What I think people don't realise is just how ingrained engineering is in our UK blood.

We have been inventing and making things forever, and it was also passed around the world when we still had an Empire. That inventiveness and the wish to make things is still there, and lots of individuals in this country still while away the hours in their little sheds and workshops, burning the midnight oil.

Even in the fairly small town I live in, population of around 70K, there are hundreds of practicing model engineers, so it is only natural for a few of us to get together every now and then to beat our gums a while, and to help each other out, it is just a thing we do.

But it isn't just that.

A few of us have the desire to help others, no matter where they hail from. I personally have made lots of bits and pieces and sent them to the US, into Europe and the Antipodes, all in the name of friendship between fellow model engineers, never ever having met them face to face, and most, only thru email contact, but a lot have become sort of personal friends, because I personally made the effort to encourage that friendship.

It is up to the individual if he wants to become a member of that worldwide group, where race, colour, creed and how much money you have has no bearing at all, just the desire to share knowledge and help between ourselves. Forums help a lot, but sometimes it needs that personal touch.

John

That's a crackin' reply/ explanation John!   :D

Concise, and to the point......:clap: :clap: :thumbup:

David D

Yes:- John has it spot on we are a very creative helpfull bunch and in more ways than one.

We seem to have nocked this thread right off track beging creative.
 
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Re: Making a displacer cylinder from solid
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2011, 12:26:04 PM »
Not a master at all, just someone who takes things steady and thinks everything thru before doing anything. Being prepared to do the job is 90% of the job done beforehand, the rest is just taking things easy and not rushing.

I beg to differ.  I've tried some of the things you've shown on here, and it takes me three tires if I get it right at all.  You have a knack.
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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2011, 04:13:43 PM »
To assist our US cousins

Knackered = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knacker (one of those colourful/useful English words)

whereas "having the knack" is something completely different = http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/knack

No doubt somebody will provide the link between the two, (probably something to do with sharp knives).

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