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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2011, 03:25:14 PM »
Hi Dave

It was just low melting point stuff, with easyflo flux, I planned to do it in one heating, the boss for the stem solder great first time, but I did struggle a bit to get it to fill the joints had to have a couple of tries, for the boss I just rapped a ring of solder around the joint, for the butt joins I just laid a length of solder on the joints, but I had to fill them with the rod on the reheats:- must have used about 5" of 1.5 mm dia solder at £6.50 for 18" thats about £2 worth.

I use the cadmium stuff our boiler inspector at the club buys it in bulk from someware to sell onto members.

Johnson Mathy don't supply the cadmium stuff, but other supliers still make it, don't ask me who though.

I know their is a health and safety issue cadmium, you must use it in well ventalated room, I just drag my soldering hearth outside, you can't get better ventilation than that.

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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2011, 03:36:30 PM »
Hi Stew

I tried to do some the other day. I could not get full penetration.   :doh:

I had to feed in to get it to work. After putting 4 centre pops on one bit to make a small gap.

Just wondered if you had flattened some in the joint ??

Mine is Cad free 440 from CUP Alloys.

640 C to 710 C IIRC ..

I was just soldering two flat bits of 3/4" x 1/4" overlapped by about 1/2".

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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2011, 05:02:31 PM »
Hi
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Engine is coming on nicely
A good bit of fabrication and soldering  :thumbup: :thumbup:
On the valve chest
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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2011, 02:11:18 AM »
Really nice work on the valve chest Stew!  :clap: :clap: :thumbup:

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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2011, 03:09:03 AM »
BC

it was not hot enough the new cad free stuff wants a lot more stick to make it flow , it seem to be a bit sticky to me also use bogs favourite flux Tanacity 5 ( its a high temp flux and has a longer heating life )

Stuart

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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2011, 03:34:14 AM »
Excellent work Stew, :bow:

Your thread has given me loads of ideas for getting around jobs :clap

What a pretty little engine...though I have to confess I could not see the relationship between steam engines and popcorn (well, peanuts) so thanks for the photos and old brochures.

I am in awe of your plans...mine are from the Walt Disney school of technical drawing :lol:

Keep it up, I will be watching this with interest.

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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2011, 04:32:00 AM »
Thanks Guys

Stuart that usefull info on dealing with cad free silver solder thanks.

Added a bit of fancy work to the steam chest cover, its a bit flimsy to grip so soft soldered it to a chunk of brass, centering it by eye.



Then over onto the spin indexer, centred the tool again by eye, you don't do the cuts on centre you off set it a bit, and cut the aster  :D.



Gave it a bit of heat to melt it off the solder, and a clean and polish.

That looks better.



Made a start on the piston, turned the piston up from a bit of stainless steel:- thanks Dave  :thumbup:, made it about 0.3mm over size, and put a groove in it for the packing, parted it off, and screwed it onto the rod with studlock, I'll giive it a bit of time to cure before I bring it down to size.




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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2011, 05:22:05 AM »
Nice work  :bow: :bow: :bow:
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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2011, 06:00:28 AM »
BC

it was not hot enough the new cad free stuff wants a lot more stick to make it flow , it seem to be a bit sticky to me also use bogs favourite flux Tanacity 5 ( its a high temp flux and has a longer heating life )

Stuart

Hi Stu

Was not too sure about roasting it, I melted some brass a couple of weeks ago trying to make some banjo fittings for the Stirling ...  :bang:

Although I got 'em sorted in the end ...  :thumbup:

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I'm off ...

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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2011, 06:16:38 AM »
Nice work Stew... :thumbup:
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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2011, 02:04:06 PM »
Thanks Guys

Found out this morning why I strugled to silver solder that steam chest i was running out of propane gas, there was just enough left to melt the soft solder on the steam chest cover when:- put- it gave out.

I got some interest on HMEN for the drawings, so I offered to supply free copies with quite a few people responded, so if any of you guys want copies jut PM me with your email adress:- but be warned they are untested so their is probably a few mistakes.

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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2011, 05:28:01 PM »
Stew,
I really like that "star" pattern - very nice. :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2011, 02:08:15 PM »
Cheers Dave

Made a start on the cross head guide bar, I'm using a bit of 32mm dia free cutting mild steel, but aluminium could be used if you wish.

This is the type of job you have to think through to get the correct machining sequence, the important features are the 16mm bore that the cross head works in and its concentricity to the 24mm counter bore that the front cylinder cover fits on, this will keep the cross head centre line on the same centre line as the cylinder bore.

First op centre drill and turn down the 24mm diameter,



As the wall thickness at this end will only be 2mm I wanted to drill the 20mm as the last op, so I put down a 3/8" pilot drill followed by 1/2" roughing drill. For these drilling operation I had to support the front of the bar with a fixed steady.



Flip the bar round, and face to length and turn 28mm dia.



I was strugling to get enough reach on the tail stop over the top of the saddle, so I though if a take the sadle off I'll get closer, then I though, no if I take the tail stop of and put it in front of the sadle that would be a lot easyer.



Drilled with a searise of drill finished drilled the 20mm dia, then put a 15.5 mm drill through, and finshed of the cross head dia with a 5/8" reamer, I was real lucky that I hade thease sizes amongs my limited selection of larger drills and reamers. I was planning on boring this dia out but I hadn't got a boring bar that long, and if I had it would be a dificult job, being on the long side to get a good result, if you havn't got a reamer a drill with corner slightly radiused would do the job, the size is not that critical you can make the cross head to fit.

Bored the 24mm counterbore a nice push fit on the front cover.



As these two critical feature were finished at the same setting they should be nice and concentric.

Swap it round the other way and finish the other end off with a 20mm drill to depth.

Her it is on the cylinder.



Tomorrow I'll mill it to its final shape.

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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2011, 02:20:09 PM »
Good going Stew; it's nice to see the oft-forgotten fixed steady in use  :thumbup:

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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2011, 02:49:41 PM »
Yes another day with a very good work  :clap: :clap:
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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2011, 04:17:24 AM »
Before milling the guide out I had a little corrective work to do, when I did the lose assembly I found that the nuts on the cylinder cover stopped the guide sitting down, so I set it back up in the lathe and cut the 24mm dia 2mm deeper.

To Mill out

First up I blued the guide up and using the spin-idexer marked it out, and cross hatched the bits to cut away.

Milling it out doesn't call for exact presision, you're trying to get a neat visual effect, the origonals were cast so they would have had inperfections.



On the mill first mill across the end keeping it short of the corner, this is so I would have room to run the cutter and take advatage of the horizontal power feed,.



Then mill down to the line.



Using a 14mm dia ball nosed cutter clean out the corner.



Now I had a nice flat platform to sit on to do the other side.



I swung the vice round 90 deg again so I could take advatage of the power feed, and milled out 68mm gap. For some time I was trying to figure out the best way to grip the job to machine the 10mm wide support, that bolts to the bearing stand, whilst doing this op I realised that the solution was stearing me in the face, all I had to do was mill into the the edge until it cut through into the bore.



So that you have this.



It is now a simple matter to use an hack saw to finish the job off.



1/2 hr work with files to blend every thing in and you have this.





Its not quite finished yet I'm unshure how the crank will clear the end of the Guid I may have to but a dog leg bend in it, I'm going to leave this untill I've got more bits arround me.

I didn't quite get the depth of some of the drilled holes correct I was short from both ends with both the 20mm holes don't know what I did wrong probably a maths error. but it won't be any detriment in fact it will just mean the cross head will be supported over a longer distance.

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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #41 on: September 28, 2011, 12:42:25 PM »
That's some awful pretty work there, Stew, pretty complex and intricate, if I do say.  I also thoroughly enjoyed the information sharing of all those chiming in about the soldering issues, I think that's one which needs lots of attention, as we each end up on different ends of the issue, and it's not all the same, but critical issues in some, and pretty clear and straight forward in others.  Very nice work on the crosshead guide, looking much closer to a working engine.   :jaw: :beer:  Cheers, mad jack

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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #42 on: September 28, 2011, 01:25:15 PM »
 :clap: :clap: :clap:  i do like the way you made the trunk guide Stew .........clever ,,very clever  :med:


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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2011, 01:55:42 PM »
Looking good Stew, did you get any movement in the metal when you cut the side away as bright bar does have a tendancy to do things like that when you remove more from one side than the other?

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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2011, 03:57:20 PM »
Thanks Jack/Rob/Jason.

Jason:- I was wondering about that also, just taken the part round to John's to borrow his spring bars to measure the bore but would you believe it he'd passed them on to a friend just the other week, so I'm going to measure them up using some small calipers its the only way I can reach in.

I'll pass the result on.

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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #45 on: September 28, 2011, 04:35:54 PM »
Nicely done
The guide is very critical
You made it look easy  :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #46 on: September 28, 2011, 04:55:33 PM »
Came out very nice :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #47 on: September 29, 2011, 07:59:06 AM »
Cheers  John/Dave

I measured the bore up as carefully as I could and as far as I can tell its got a 0.05mm taper in it being smaller at the front, I reckon I can live with that.

Made the cross head this morning, started with a chunk of brass in the lathe turned the bore down to a nice fit in the guide, and drilled and tapped it M4,



Then keeping the job on the chuck transfered it over to the spin-indexer, zeroed the mill up on its centre line, and fly cut down one side.

Before milling down the other side, drilled through 3mm dia then using a 10mm slot drill cut down 7mm, the extra thickness kept everything nice and strong.



Index 180 and mill the other side to give a thickness of 10mm.

With it still retained on the chuck transfer over to the lathe and part off.



Set up in the mill vice and cut out the throat to give clearance to the connecting rod, flaring the throat with files.



Finished cross head fitted it's a little tight towards the front but that will run in.



One last job this morning the cross head pin a straight forward turning job.

Her it is fitted.




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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #48 on: September 29, 2011, 08:08:43 AM »
Looking VERY good Stew!  :clap: :clap: :thumbup:

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Re: Potty Popcorn Engine
« Reply #49 on: September 29, 2011, 10:34:08 AM »
Very nice done  :thumbup:
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