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Offline BiggerHammer

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They are doing WHAT with a 1937 steam locomotive! OH MY!
« on: September 26, 2012, 06:42:19 PM »
http://www.gizmag.com/csr-project-130-steam-locomotive/22670/

I can't wait to see how this turns out. Found the story in one of my geek magazines that just came in the post. Will definitely be following this story.

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Re: They are doing WHAT with a 1937 steam locomotive! OH MY!
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2012, 07:52:25 PM »
It will still have the same problem that the steam locomotives, had when they were phased out the high cost of the maintenance and the amount of maintenance needed on a daily basis. From everything I have read on the demise of the steam locomotive. It wasn't the fuel they burned the daily grind of things that needed to be done. And the amount of backshop that was needed to up keep them along with payroll of all the trades that had to be on hand at a moments notice.
I speak from 35 issues on an unlimited pressure/horespower Stationary Engineers License, and 25 or so years operating a large vertical blower steam engine, and couple of Kewanee locomotive type coal fired boilers with under feed stokers. Burning the crappy Kentucky topsoil they called coal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5AT_Advanced_Technology_Steam_Locomotive
http://www.trainweb.org/tusp/ace_det.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_steam_technology

No matter what you call it and how it is dressed in a modern skin, it still has to many moving parts and high speed will equal higher wear. And the 5AT one, is just for high dollar touring and so called cruises.
They will never get steam back on rails hauling freight or passengers. Even if they could be MU with diesels. With out the infrastructure to maintain and support them why would anybody try to bring them back at 10 million £ a pop. Probably get a couple diesels.
Very nice pipe dream. They must have got a government grant, just more university welfare. They never seem to think or consider what it takes to maintain them. like it will just operate forever! :doh:
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Re: They are doing WHAT with a 1937 steam locomotive! OH MY!
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2012, 08:52:12 PM »
Hi all

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Ben Coxworth An experienced freelance writer, videographer and television producer, Ben's interest in all forms of innovation is particularly fanatical when it comes to human-powered transportation, film-making gear, environmentally-friendly technologies and anything that's designed to go underwater. He lives in Edmonton, Alberta, where he spends a lot of time going over the handlebars of his mountain bike, hanging out in off-leash parks, and wishing the Pacific Ocean wasn't so far away.   All articles by Ben Coxworth

Above is a quote about the author that wrote the piece that the link in the first post leads to. I think that he must have landed on his head a few time to many and now he seems to be hallucinating and some people are even believing him.

I wonder what they are teaching kids in university these days? It doesn't seem like it is common sense anyway.

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Re: They are doing WHAT with a 1937 steam locomotive! OH MY!
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2012, 09:33:52 PM »
It is a real group here is the CSR web site.  http://www.csrail.org/ Talking about passenger train and they have a photo of a freight train. It's a non profit, the last button is to donate.  :bugeye:
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Re: They are doing WHAT with a 1937 steam locomotive! OH MY!
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2012, 09:57:07 PM »
Thank you PT.

     And yes everything (which isn't much) that I know about steam loco's makes me think that the "low maintenance" is a bit of a pipe dream. Though I have seen some low maint. modern steam powered equipment  in some of the facilities I have done work in.

"CSR is confident it can create a higher-speed passenger rail locomotive that is Cleaner, Quicker and Cheaper than any locomotive on the market today."

Now that is confidence.... or perhaps they meant to say "than any OTHER STEAM locomotive on the market today".

I still think it will be very interesting to see how they get along.


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Re: They are doing WHAT with a 1937 steam locomotive! OH MY!
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2012, 06:59:51 AM »
Cor, that brings back memories.... a book I had as a child in the late 1970s predicted the return of steam powered railways, albeit in a very different form to the old 1930s technology...

And, by the power of the internet, you too can now download the Usborne Book of the Future - published IIRC in 1979 - from here: http://life.enhasa.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/The%20Usborne%20Book%20of%20the%20Future.pdf Be warned - it's a big download, and the steam train commands all of one panel split over two pages (pp74-75), and the key technologies are a "fluid-bed" furnace, a steam turbine & a condenser...

The book is fascinating now for two things: The sheer amount of stuff it got wrong.... and the amount of stuff it got right (even if you need to squint a bit to see it).
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Re: They are doing WHAT with a 1937 steam locomotive! OH MY!
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2012, 10:59:16 AM »
It is a real group here is the CSR web site.  http://www.csrail.org/ Talking about passenger train and they have a photo of a freight train. It's a non profit, the last button is to donate.  :bugeye:


The engine was actually made for passenger service. With 84" drivers it would not be very efficient as a freight locomotive. The does seem to be another problem though. The tender indicates that it was oil fired instead of coal fired. A list of the specs. can be found here:

http://www.csrail.org/index.php/the-train/tech-specs

Joe