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Versatool Cabinets
« on: July 16, 2013, 07:05:27 AM »
I acquired these two Versatool cabinets a year or so ago, and now I am tooling up for my big CNC Lathe the time has come to put them into service. They are rather tatty, dented and rusty. The intention is to clean them up, knock the bigger dents out, then re-spray them.
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2013, 07:08:46 AM »
First I stripped out all the nice rotating shelves, drawers etc and went at them with a few gentle taps from a hammer
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2013, 07:16:11 AM »
Checking the paint department, I had enough primer, and enough 'Iron Grey' top coat left over from spraying my 60 ton garage press when I re-built that, but I lacked the KPT04 thinners and only had one 'strip and clean' disk left. Suitable orders placed on eBay and I'll just have to be patient and wait for them to arrive.

If the weather holds I'm tempted to sand blast the cabinets - my 'portable' sand blaster is a Hodge Clemco biggy of the sort they use for motorway bridges and is a bit of a pain to pull out from where I store it - however a friend wants to blast some sandstone in his cottage wall so maybe we can kill two birds with one stone!
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2013, 12:44:30 PM »
So of course I got impatient and dragged out the sand blaster anyway! This was 'a good thing' as it forced me to re-arrange the room I had it stored in, and tidy away some crates of machine spares into my container.

Anyway, have a sand blaster and the compressor that I use with it:
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2013, 12:45:30 PM »
After using two bags of this grit - that's of the order of 60 kgs as the bags are approx 30 kg a piece for some reason:
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2013, 12:46:41 PM »
We end up with this result:
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2013, 12:48:47 PM »
I've moved them into my insulated and dry workshop over night as otherwise they will rust very rapidly being really bare steel. If the weather holds tomorrow I reckon I've just about got enough thinners to blow a thin primer coat on to keep them safe
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2013, 04:10:42 PM »
Nice  Cabinets ....proper heavy duty stuff  :thumbup: , Looks like you are going about doing them the quickest and best way providing you have the gear to do it   :drool: , dam well beats an old chisel scraping paint off then allsorts of grinding sanding........but I will just keep telling myself it keeps me fit  :lol:

  Looking forward to seeing them finished they should be as good as new , keep up the good work  :thumbup:

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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2013, 04:42:01 PM »
Often using a striping disk is quicker than blasting if you take into account the getting out, putting away and clearing up, but the surface is usually a bit too smooth. The blaster leaves a slightly rough surface that gives a good 'key' for the paint to hang on to.
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2013, 04:44:26 PM »
Nice looking cabinets, look forward to seeing them completely refurbed.

On the subject of sandblasters, I saw a prog on TV a while back where they were reconditioning M1 Abrahms tanks. Stripped of all parts they are hung up inside the biggest blasting cabinet I've ever seen. Fully automatic of course!

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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2013, 04:46:03 PM »
My ears are still ringing now several hours later - could do with an automated blasting line !
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2013, 05:15:10 PM »
Is that motor paint factors still at Rovenden steam yard ?
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2013, 05:19:52 PM »
Tell me more - never heard of it, but I'm an incomer here - only been here 6 years
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2013, 03:43:17 AM »
I always like to get something constructive done after I've fed & mucked out the animals and before breakfast, so here we have the Versatool cabinets set out ready for painting:
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2013, 03:46:02 AM »
And here they are after the first coat of primer, which I just squeezed out of my remaining thinners - I had to clean the gun with Zylene  rather than the KPT04 that the paint is based on, but it worked ok:
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2013, 09:20:51 AM »
Nice job. I know naff all about spray painting so hows's about some more info just in case any of us want to copy you! - what type of spray gun are you using and what primer? I've seen stuff like etching primer or primer filler offered.

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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2013, 10:09:50 AM »
Well I'm certainly no expert spray painting!

The spray gun is a Binks Bullows '230' which I have had for probably over 30 years - as you can see it's sprayed a few colours in it's life. My 'method' of cleaning is:

a/ Pour out any remaining diluted paint - (I save it in a clean sealed plastic milk bottle if I have more to do later )

b/ Wipe out the reservoir, nozzle face, dip pipe etc with workshop tissue

c/ Put in about 50 ccs of thinners, shake it around, and spray into a wad of tissue - discard remnant

d/ Repeat c/ above

e/ Again put 50 ccs in the reservoir, swill it around then leave it in the gun

This seems to keep the workings clean and not clog up ensuring it's ready for next time
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2013, 10:16:04 AM »
The paint system is one I originally came across advertised on eBay as 'Tractor Enamel' It's a synthetic enamel that produces a very tough coat if you put it on thin enough to thoroughly dry between coats. The primer includes corrosion inhibitors. As you can see I've had this can of primer for a year or two.

I use about 10% thinners in both the primer and the top coat, which is the max they recommend, and I put it on quite thinly. I want pretty quick drying as most of my spraying has to be done out doors.

You can get primers that are loaded with a filler - called primer / surfacers - they put a significant thickness on that you can flat down with wet and dry paper. These are good when you are trying to get a mirror finish on a car or something of that ilk, but kit in the workshop really doesn't justify that sort of approach in my way of thinking.
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2013, 10:17:32 AM »
The paint came from a very helpful company called 'Fascinating Finishes' who hail from Hull - they will mix it to any colour you choose from the 'RAL Chart' - details on this can:
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2013, 11:07:56 AM »
I can see that you've had that tin of corosion-inhibiting primer a long time - the tin's started going rusty :)

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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2013, 11:08:37 AM »
Thanks for the info, I'm sure many of us will find it useful :thumbup:

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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2013, 03:13:47 PM »
handy tip for cleaning your spraygun, when you are spraying into the wadding, hold the wadding onto the gun nozzle for a few seconds till you hear the air bubbling into the pot, then remove and spray into the wadding again, cleans out the passageways in both directions!
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2013, 04:48:12 PM »
Found them paint factors are called Britcon and are in Northiam just by the East Kent Steam line , they movede fron Rovenden over 20 years ago , sorry for any confusion .
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2013, 03:50:03 AM »
Top coat on - time for breakfast !

Not perfect, but a dramatic improvement on their previous state. Not enough paint left for another coat so I'm sure this will do fine. These will need to be left for a few days to fully harden before re-assembling the door and drawer furniture. I've even bought some new green baize for the shelves. Need to cut new plywood boards for the tops and those shelves with holes other than where I want them
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2013, 12:31:04 PM »
A while ago I wanted some green baize.  Couldn't find any, of course, But ...

Just down the road is a small company who refurbish pool/billiard/snooker tables and they were happy to sell me an old cloth - for about 50 pence I got a sheet the size of a pool table.

Upside - very cheap!
Downside - dusty (no problem because by the time you've done handling it, cutting to size etc, all the chalk-dust has fallen out)
Downside 2 - it's thinner than a baize cloth, though that didn't matter for my purposes.

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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2013, 01:00:17 PM »
I cheated and bought self adhesive stuff. I've used it before and it's ok if a bit thin. The good thing is as it is self adhesive it firmly glues round all the holes  and doesn't pull away - as I cut them after it is stuck down.
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2013, 01:21:01 PM »
The time was right, so today I've re-assembled all the door furniture, sorted out the stripped threads on the drawer handles, bent up new locking bars to replace the missing ones on the smaller cabinet, cut new shelves and lined them with green baize, and sanded down the top wood 'bench' surfaces. The later I may replace - they are pretty tatty and I can't sand them any more as they are plywood, and I'll go through the top lamination. I had some left over ' 20mm shuttering plywood' that I used for the shelves as they are covered, but it's not a good enough top lamination to be an exposed surface.

All I need to do now is decide what holes are needed where to store all the tools for the Traub CNC Lathe I've been resurrecting.

Anyway have a few pictures:
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2013, 10:54:09 AM »
Started fitting out the shelves for tooling for the Traub CNC Lathe.

First - I used up two shelves for the static and powered tooling for the tool turret:
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2013, 10:55:51 AM »
Then I had to think how to store the collets. Two types, one type for the main spindle, and these for the opposing spindle:
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2013, 10:58:25 AM »
If I were to bore the shelves to fit, the set would not fit on one shelf without being too weak as the holes would be too close together. Not nice to just sit them there and clang together, so I hit on the idea of making a honeycomb of sleeves.

Gutter downpipe plastic tubing was just about the right size:
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2013, 10:59:36 AM »
I decided to glue the pipe sections using solvent weld glue, so best to put in one of the old shelves first as the glue is bound to drip everywhere:
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2013, 11:02:01 AM »
Those are awesome mawsome cabinets. I love the swing-out drawers. You lose less shelf space from the curved shelf than you would from having collets you can't reach at the back.

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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2013, 11:02:37 AM »
To keep the pipe sections firmly together I used domestic clothes pegs - it'll be ok dear they won't get messed up :)

Yikes send for a Gypsy - I'm running out of clothes pegs!
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2013, 11:05:24 AM »
I ended up 'walking' the pegs across the honeycomb - fortunately the glue sets pretty quickly in the current hot weather.

I was fearful that the glue would soak into the baize of the old shelf and stick fast - luckily it didn't
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2013, 11:06:26 AM »
So back goes the new shelf complete with honeycomb and collets
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2013, 11:08:11 AM »
I'm tempted to do something similar with these 'J56' collets from the main spindle. They neatly sit inside a piece of 110mm drain pipe, so I feel another honeycomb coming on!
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2013, 11:14:37 AM »
Those are awesome mawsome cabinets. I love the swing-out drawers. You lose less shelf space from the curved shelf than you would from having collets you can't reach at the back.

Thanks for the kind words Pete. Yes I'm pretty pleased with the way they've turned out, and it means that the boxes of tools all over the floor have been tidied away at long last. The collets are very heavy, and the cabinet is a bit unstable with the 'honeycomb' shelf swung out, but it'll be ok when there is a bit of weight down below  :D
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2013, 01:27:36 PM »
That looks great, Andrew!  :thumbup: :clap:
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2013, 06:45:29 AM »
Thanks Steve.

Well I bowed to the inevitable and made up another honeycomb for the bigger collets. This time made from 110mm soil pipe. I only had the brown underground variety - black above ground would have been better but not worth the 10 to buy a length.

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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2013, 06:38:46 AM »
hi a job well dun

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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2014, 06:59:07 PM »
Hi Andrew , thanks for  posting the link to these cabinets getting done, I do not know how my search did not find it  :scratch: ............I knew I had seen a post somewhere a while back.
  Anyway , an excellent job you made of them and that idea about the collet holders might come in very handy indeed  :thumbup:

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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #41 on: October 31, 2018, 08:05:29 AM »
Resurrecting an old thread here, but it's the best place to put the info !

The cabinets described above were refurbished to house the tooling for the Traub CNC lathe that I had, but when it was sold, stupidly I let the cabinets go with it. Now I'm at the stage with the Beaver TC-20 CNC lathe that I need somewhere for it's tooling so went looking for more.

It seems that since then they have become 'trendy' with the yuppies that want bits of old iron in their kitchens - yes they are being used as kitch  kitchen cabinets would you believe  :bugeye:

So the price has gone through the roof, but I did manage to get a matching pair from opposite ends of the country. These ones are rather nice in that as well as the swinging shelves and a pair of drawers, there are also some handy 'normal' shelves.

I'm not sure if these will be blasted and re-sprayed as they are not in as bad condition as the others, and anyway the weather is not suitable probably until the spring. But I do want to make them movable. Previous ones sat on a frame with castors but I want to build the castors directly in. Problem is that the base is flanged, with a 25mm recess.
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2018, 08:15:02 AM »
Now the cabinets are stout affairs with thick metal to the sides and base. I decided to make raising blocks to sit the castors on, with the weight being taken by bolts into the frame, and also by the blocks being in contact with the base.

A bit of suitable 50 mm x 25 mm bar in EN3a was ordered up, and being now to hand I cut 8 off 50 x 50 x 25 chunks and programmed the Beaver Partsmaster to spot drill, drill, and tap the 6 x 8 = 48 M6 holes to take the castors and fix the blocks to the cabinets. All went to plan, finishing yesterday evening.

This morning I made up a little drilling jig to align the mounting holes and set too on the first cabinet. The jig needed a chunk grinding off to clear the doors in use, but it all went pretty well. Heavy old lumps - I'm waiting for a friend to arrive shortly to help me turn the second one over - but one is done.
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2018, 03:05:53 PM »
Derek came and helped invert the second cabinet at lunch time, and as I got a bit of time before supper I managed to 'casterate' it.

Just need to decide how to get them back on their feet and into the workshop.
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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #44 on: October 31, 2018, 04:23:41 PM »
I see a forklift nearby...

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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2018, 06:14:53 PM »
It'll certainly help, but actually rotating it isn't quite as straightforwards as you might think - nowt to hold on to. I do have some powerful lifting magnets that might help tilting it but although it's thick I'm not sure that that panelling has enough meat for all the magnetic flux to be useful.

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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2018, 06:23:26 PM »
You could put a piece of thick plate on the inside.

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Re: Versatool Cabinets
« Reply #47 on: November 01, 2018, 01:49:51 AM »
Putting vintage steel cabinets on wheels is just going to increase its yuppie appeal. Better hide them deep in your workshop, well away from prying eyes.