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Offline John Hill

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Fastidious Barstools (sp?)
« on: March 12, 2009, 02:47:29 PM »
John (Bogstandard) has mentioned on another topic his, ahem, dislike for those who are so pernickity about their tools and equipment that they never get anything done.  I must admit to having the same feelings.

I think this subject can be seen as a bit wider in that some folks are so limited in the way they think that they will persist in doing it the hard way, and even claim virtue for doing so, when there are effective and easier ways of doing the job.  Then of course there are those who through ignorance discover the easy way.

There is a company in our town which makes small diameter steel tubes.  Legend has it that when they started out they had no notion of how to roll thin steel into a tube and that the convention at the time was to use a machine with successive stages of rollers, but these guys didnt know that.  Their method is to make a single die with a tapered round hole though it and to simply drag a strip of steel through which comes out as a nice tube, true or not I dont know..

Right at the dawn of the PC age (early 80's) PCs were beginning to replace things like mechanical teletypewriters and I was trying to write software to do this for our local air traffic control people.  But they, being public servants, wanted to spend hundreds of thousands and engaged an American company to do the job.  When they showed their ideas, which were based on my proposal (this really p****ed me off) the Americans told them it was beyond the capability of the PC to work like that.  In my ignorance I had already solved the supposed 'impossibility' so I contacted the American company and one of their senior guys came to NZ, came out to my play room (where my lathe now stands) and I showed him a PC sending and receiving 5 bit code data at 9600Bps and driving a small dot matrix printer full speed at the same time.

For those interested in the technicalities of the 'problem', the original Dos serial port driver had a fault which actually came from the standard UART chip in that it was unable to handle a confliction between send data and receive data interrupts.  I didnt know that and it wasnt a problem anyway as I was not using interrupts on the transmit side.

The demo was so convincing that we got the sub contract to supply to the Americans who supplied to the NZers!  Daft eh?  It was the first major product of our company which is still in business and incidently we still offer pretty much the same product.   Our site is http://www.cnd.co.nz/
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Re: Fastidious Barstools (sp?)
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2009, 03:37:54 PM »
John

Some times you have to ignore the so called experts and just get on and have a go. I was Involved in a project that everyone said couldn't be done, we'd had a bit of a play and although it was a bit iffy we could see it had potential so we just carried on trying and trying until we got it right. That product has now won over £100M worth of orders for our company, all that was required was the confidence to fail and the pig-headiness not to give in.

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Re: Fastidious Barstools (sp?)
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2009, 04:20:57 PM »
John,

I think you misunderstood me slightly, it is not that they don't get anything done, just the way they expect everyone else to be like them, and take their word as gospel, or else.
 
Everyone has the right to their way of doing things, but no-one should be judged by the way they do things themselves, be it right or wrong. Criticism, helpful comments, safety, yes, do it my way or else, wrong.

I used to be a machine specialist, looking at the design and suggesting modifications that could be done to increase profitability.

I think my most enjoyable one ever was a New Yorker who set up a factory in the UK. He was OK, the rest of the family run business was staffed by his obnoxious wife and even more dislikeable kids (all three, graduates of some hi flying US universities, and all thought the sun shone out of their you know wheres), old money types, drop her mink fur coat on the floor, and expect everyone to rush in to pick it up for her.

I had been watching this company before they even arrived here. They had made it known that they were on the lookout for 'right people'. So I got in at the very beginning.

Anyway, the father was a down to earth engineer like myself, and we talked the same sort of lingo. He had designed and patented a ribbon making machine and had two of them made in the US to set up production in the UK. They also had a similar factory in New York, but making a different type of ribbon. The machines weren't small, maybe 15ft long by about 8ft wide. They worked OK, but not quite right.

I told him to take one off line, give me 5K squid for development machining, and three months in time. He took a big chance by giving me what I wanted, and he left me alone to get on with my job.

It cost less than 1K squid, and one month offline. I had reduced the wastage costs by 90%, increased the machines production by more than 1000%, and the operators were having a much easier time to keep it running. Basically, load it up and run it to the end of the material.

This problem all came about because he was an engineering graduate, and did everything 'by the book', as that was because he had been told it was the right way to go. I came along, put some lateral and out of the box thinking in and got it to work how it should have done. He was overjoyed with the results, and started to take notice that diplomas mean nothing, without the wherewithall to put it into good practice.

I worked with him for over five enjoyable years, expanding to a new purpose built factory as production was shooting up to a stage where we could hardly cope. We both learned a lot from each other, and all I came away with was a very bad taste in my mouth, and he ended up going back to retirement in his mansion in Connecticut. Both of us had been too involved in the production side, while the management side was being run by the 'family'.

His obnoxious family used the 'new' money from the business to fund their lavish jetset lifestyle. Eventually they bled it dry and it closed down, owing a lot of money to a lot of people. All the machines were sold off to my local scrapyard, and were recycled before I could get in there and save them.

C'est la vie

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Re: Fastidious Barstools (sp?)
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2009, 05:21:23 PM »
Perhaps I did misunderstand you slightly John though I was thinking that this 'thing' is a little wider than just the 'do it my way or face eternal hellfire and damnation' crowd.

Perhaps its my background, I come from a culture where as a child there was a continuous stream of new arrivals who all spoke with funny accents and had their own ways of doing things.  If something was broken they would order another part, from 12000 miles away, which when it arrived by ship would not fit or was from another model.  If we needed to join two pieces of steel they would drill holes and either tap or go 30 miles to town to buy a bolt of the right size, my father would find a bit of steel that would go in the hole then use his sledge hammer to rivet it over and continue ploughing.

Immigrants had such strange ideas, they would stop work at 5o'clock  whereas we would stop when it got too dark to carry on or the job was finished.  If we finished in the middle of the day then so be it, time to put the dogs on the back of the ute and go to the pub.

Think its time for  :beer:
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