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Offline awemawson

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Inter forum Rivalries
« on: August 15, 2013, 02:12:14 PM »
I've just been on an electronics forum where I had been asking various questions regarding (not surprisingly) electronics last year, and when one contributor asked what is was all about, I posted a link to my thread regarding the Traub CNC lathe on this forum. To my surprise the forum owner (presumably) deleted the link and in apparent high dudgeon complained it was not fair to link to other forums and expect people to log in to see things.

Is there really such rivalry between forums, especially when essentially they cover such different disciplines  :scratch:
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Re: Inter forum Rivalries
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2013, 02:28:19 PM »
In my opinion that Mod / owner does not seem to understand the concept of the internet and the power of free-for-all information and cultural exchange.

I have witnessed this phenomena myself, its used to bug me, now I just put it down to that type of mentality is being an A…Sle.  :)

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Re: Inter forum Rivalries
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2013, 02:49:05 PM »
I admin on an RC forum and we find cross posting acceptable except plagiarism is not acceptable....

Seems your Admin/Mod type is a little high handed....

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Re: Inter forum Rivalries
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2013, 02:53:48 PM »
Its actually a very common phenomenon.. Especially if the forum run ads and other types of commercial interests.. They dont want the users to leave cuz it will affect revenue on displaying ads.
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Re: Inter forum Rivalries
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2013, 03:50:38 PM »
Its actually a very common phenomenon.. Especially if the forum run ads and other types of commercial interests.. They dont want the users to leave cuz it will affect revenue on displaying ads.

A rediculous viewpoint, since if other forums operated the same policy it would surely have a negative effect fro new sign-ups for them.

Personally I think some people are rule-mad. I know one forum that won't let you post any of your own personal details on the forum, not even your phone number in a for-sale ad. Their reasoning is that some people might not realise that it can be seen by the 'wrong' type of person.

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Re: Inter forum Rivalries
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2013, 03:55:12 PM »
I agree that the worst forums are those with ads and are for profit forums - they seem to be the tightest with rules. I tend to ignore forums now if they have more ads than content!

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Re: Inter forum Rivalries
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2013, 04:09:45 PM »
Ah i agree its impractical and kinda stoopid.. Im actively using a 30+ forums or so.. This is more or less the only one i bother to check in everyday day, several times a day more or less cuz its  as relaxed as it is.. And there no "keyboard warriors" around. =)
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Re: Inter forum Rivalries
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2013, 05:41:28 PM »
   Its sad when there are stupid rules and regulations about links etc, as long as its not selling things and the links are to benefit others finding info to me it seems the whole point of why everyone is looking at these forums. I for one just opt out full stop once little adds pop up on every photo etc like a forum lots of people used to visit..........I can watch Sky tv if I want to get bombarded by ads.
  Maybe some of the ad driven forums want to think about, if it wasnt for genuine people with genuine interests posting on their forums , they would have diddly squat for people to look at there in the first place so no advertisers would be interested in placing ads anyway. I wonder would these forums pay for each posting the members contributed ! , I think not , but after all they are nothing without the participation of its members.
  The whole point of forums to me is for people to share knowledge and encourage others. Once money becomes a big part of it sadly it will go the way of other things....... and its not for the better.
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Re: Inter forum Rivalries
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2013, 06:53:44 PM »
People forget the definition of forum. And in addition to the fact that some forum owners have only one thing they can totally control the forum.
I was asked to join another forum, and post some content on it the purpose was to try to get things moving in the hobbyist direction since that was the part of the idea of the forum.
They have this thing that awards points for posts,replies and such with the top 5 people listed. My opinion is that it is a little silly but its not my sand box. This guy was a pro welder and has a welding biz on the side. After I started post the book reviews like I have posted on here. All his comments are negative and derogatory.
After about a week or so. He posted that he was leaving.
Here is part of the post" Book reports? Most welders won't even read their damn pay stubs much less some artsy fartsy book. Well I responded a few times to these "new style" posts and I was told by Mr. Caron that I was too harsh on the guy and that "he was asked to come here and "spice this place up"! If that's the direction of this forum then so be it. If I was ever able to help anyone here with advice, that was my pleasure. In short, I'll now be searching for some new digs that myself and the other low brow welder types can hag out!"
He didn't have to read them and I wouldn't engage him in verbal jousting, as some on the forums like to do. He left a couple of people PM'd me that it was my fault and yada yada etc.
They was little content on the forum, and why would you hang out on a forum with nothing new to read? The only thing I could figure was he was watching his points as he was number two in the list.
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Re: Inter forum Rivalries
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2013, 09:28:23 PM »
This is the only forum I post on these days, and pretty much the only one I read. I would say that a very large part of the reason is the attitude this forum has. It seems open minded in a way that I feel I can fit into. Most other forums feel restrictive or closed minded by comparison. Not allowing links is one of those kinds of things that makes no sense to me.

I think the title here as well as the moderation have a kind of good humored openness that is right in line with a range of interests and skill levels. I learn new things here, admire other people's work, knowledge and ability. Or their ability to solve problems as beginners and achieve a goal and new skills. There is always something new and interesting whether it is a penny farthing bicycle, a giant CNC lathe rehab, a penny arcade game from scratch, a video of an expedition underground to see what's in an abandoned machine shop, a perfectly carved wooden skull or repair of a DTI from a car boot sale. Or any of a thousand other creative projects.

Links have actually increased the interest here. There is even a forum topic called Neat Stuff actually largely devoted to links outside of this forum. That's what keeps me coming back. An attitude of openness to creativity and interest.
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Re: Inter forum Rivalries
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2013, 11:18:38 PM »
People seem to gravitate to the forums where they feel like they fit in.

The most laid back forum I am aware of is for metal casting, but they have one moderator, and he is a very smart individual, and savy about keeping things under control without appearing heavy-handed.  Those guys can discuss topics all day long, and disagree about everything without the slightest problem.
Best group I have ever seen on a forum, but rare.

The forum owner has to figure out what he wants out of the forum, and what services he wants to provide others, and at what cost in time, money, management, etc.

Some forums restrict viewing of photos to members only and some are open-sourced to members and non-members.
Some forums (many these days) have gone commercial, and are chocked full of advertisements, which is a big turnoff to me.  I don't visit sites with advertisements.  I would never allow a link to a site with advertisements.  Why should I earn money for someone else?

You can always just mention a general topic name or something like that, and a google search will generally allow others to find the intended forum link if they are really interested in finding it.  I have done that on other forums before, and been accused of being sneaky and underhanded.  Well it is a free country (well, at least this one is anyway).

The forum owner can always edit your post, but that sort of thing can seem a bit heavy-handed, and won't win any friends or increase membership.
Occasionally posts do get out of whack and need to be edited by a moderator to keep things from going south.
We are all human after all, and to err is human.

This forum has always been a good blend of a variety of things.
If you want a forum that has a very narrow focus, your readership/membership can be very limited, or you can fight the battle of constantly trying to keep the forum focused on a narrow topic, which is akin to herding cats.

You have forum sitters; people who apparently hang out on one or more forums all the time.  I am guilty of this to some extent.

Forums can be rather addictive.

Then you have the combative/comfrontational types who can quickly turn things into a free-for-all.
I have acused others of being this way, and have been acused of being this way myself by others.

Some people read things into posts that are not intended.
You can read many posts as negative, postive, or neutral, and much of that is based on your attitude.

One think I can't stand is an oldtimer jumping on a new member and berating him.
I have confronted people over this, and this behavior can also turn a forum into a bar brawl, and discourage new people.

Many/most people I have taked to in my local region of the country when asked "Do you post on forums?" reply "Heavens no, I wouldn't dream of it, those people are hostile".
And certainly there are a number of forums out there with hostile members.

I guess if you are going to play the forum game, you need thick skin, or you need to pick a forum where you fit in.

Like my wife says when I start complaining about forums, "Why don't you go get a real life and forget about those forums?".
I ask myself the same question often, but I don't have a good answer for that one, other than perhaps I don't have much of a life outside of my hobbies, but I have no one to blame for that but myself.  My mom use to say "You make your own bed, so you have to lie in it".

For obscure hobbys and interests, there are few other ways to connect with similar-minded folks in the world.

My preference is open-sourced forum everything, and without adverstisements, but survival of a forum generally depends on membership, and open-sourced forums may never build any significant membership.  Sort of a catch 22 in my book.
And I prefer to be able to edit my posts any time, indefinitely, just as a common courtesy, but then you can get into a big scrap if the forum is ever sold, people will delete their material.  Some forum owners have gotten weary of the effort required to operate a forum, and sold their forum, much to the dismay of the members.  One can never assume that all forums will always be around, or will never be sold.  You sort of have to live for the moment on forums.

I guess it all depends on what you are in it for, and what your reasons for posting on a forum are.
For me, it is a good way to get peer review and feedback about what you are doing.

Groupthink is a very powerful tool if you are open to that sort of thing.
Some folks post in a show-and-tell fashion, and sometimes that becomes a one way street.
Some people just crave attention, and post for the love of the attention, not because of a genuine interest in a hobby.
Others interact a great deal, and it becomes a win-win situation for all involved since they learn, you learn, and everyone becomes wiser in the end.

But the bottom line is, if you don't like a forum, or don't like how a forum is operated, go find another forum that you do like.
Nobody is forcing you to be on a forum (that is what I always try to keep in mind).
The good thing is there are plenty of forums out there.  The downside is the commercialism found on many forums these days (in my opinion).
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Re: Inter forum Rivalries
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2013, 03:04:01 AM »
Beginners or pro's here it doesn't seem to matter we are here to help newbies such as myself to understand old ways and new I have learned alot from build logs and I have to say it is a lot like a kid in a candy store with some projects. So to all who partake past,  present, and future thank you.

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Re: Inter forum Rivalries
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2013, 03:35:20 AM »
A good moderator is one who can stand back and just keep an eye on things.
Even though he might 'own' the forum it's not his. It's the members who actually make a forum up.

It can be steered to an extent but this may be at the expense of loosing some members but members are always free to move as they choose anyway and interests change so a popular poster could well move on to another forum with no animosity.
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Re: Inter forum Rivalries
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2013, 06:19:23 AM »
I've been a member of various forums over the past ten years or so and have seen various levels of inter forum silliness over that time. This one has kept my attention for four years or so after I stumbled in on discovery of the famous fixing Darren's lathe thread. This forum has some very knowledgable people, some very funny people and maintains a great atmosphere of sharing knowledge and developing members skills. Posters are comfortable enough here thatthey openly show their methods and even their mistakes so that others may learn and also provide constructive feedback. Hostile behaviour is not sanctioned here and in the rare events where things get out of hand they are generally nipped in the bud and with great tact allowing people to retain their dignity. I've learned a lot here and have enjoyed following the many and varied projects.

I missed the underground workshop thread though and can't seem to turn it up with a search could someone give me a thread title or a link to it that sounds like a good thread to me.

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Re: Inter forum Rivalries
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2013, 08:59:52 AM »
I love it when a Plan B comes together!
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Re: Inter forum Rivalries
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2013, 06:24:04 AM »
Thank you, that was worth asking about.

Anyway, back to the topic. I used to follow some flight simulation forums, they had some great inter forum rivalry and some truly amazing in forum behaviour. I thought they were a bunch of teenage boys but it later became evident that most of them were in their thities forties and fifties. My favourite aeroplane could shoot down your favourite aeroplane was enough to start a twenty page flame war.

It's much better here!

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Re: Inter forum Rivalries
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2013, 11:32:50 AM »
I was banned from a particular home machinist web site for mentioning another site that had just started up.  For a number of reasons, I won't go further into details but it does happen.

There is a good on English saying that is a favourite of mine:  "There's nowt stranger than folk".  I think that sums things up beautifully.

My view is that if you are a contributing member on a particular forum, there should be nothing wrong with posting a link to another site.  For example, I posted a link to the rebuild site on my lathe on the MWF site, as it was more practical than reproducing such a long post here.

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Re: Inter forum Rivalries
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2013, 02:10:44 PM »
I think it weeds out the forums worth being on, too narrow, move on.

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Re: Inter forum Rivalries
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2013, 07:24:40 AM »
I can't remember how madmodder handles it, but I know alot of other machining/ hobby type forums make it so you can't veiw various things without being a registered and logged-in member. It's kinda a bummer when you want to check out a project similar to yours you found via google, but you'd have to go to all the effort of registring to see it.

There's a chance that that person isn't trying to restrict people from finding other (and possibly better) forums to jump ship to, but is maybe just working off a personal dislike of the various forums that require you to register before you can view content. Which is also not the right thing to do but maybe not as bad.

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Re: Inter forum Rivalries
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2013, 07:59:59 AM »
I can't remember how madmodder handles it.

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