How do i achieve this?

[piper1]

Hi hope some can help me out please.

Over the past few weeks i have been making some drip tips, but because of the limited amount of knowledge i have on a metal lathe they all appear to be similar in shape .
I was wanting to know how is it possible to achieve tapered and bevelled shapes by using a lathe. 

The first picture show's a couple of drip tip that I have made.


second picture show's some of the shapes I would like to achieve.


 

[S. Heslop]

There's several ways I know of. But the easiest would probably be to just file them on the lathe.

Make sure you read up on it so you do it safely though. Using a file without a handle or getting a sleeve snagged on the chuck could do a real number on you.

[awemawson]

You either need to grind a form tool or have a cnc lathe

Andrew

ps you could just buy them here:

http://www.cloud9vaping.co.uk/epages/yxve46fvrnud.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/yxve46fvrnud/Categories/DripTips/CherryVape

[piper1]

There's several ways I know of. But the easiest would probably be to just file them on the lathe.

Make sure you read up on it so you do it safely though. Using a file without a handle or getting a sleeve snagged on the chuck could do a real number on you.

Thank you for the safety tip.

[piper1]

You either need to grind a form tool or have a cnc lathe

Andrew

ps you could just buy them here:

http://www.cloud9vaping.co.uk/epages/yxve46fvrnud.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/yxve46fvrnud/Categories/DripTips/CherryVape

lol I know but I do enjoy making them.

[Pete W.]

Hi there,

Please do tell - what's a 'drip tip'?

[dsquire]

Hi there,

Please do tell - what's a 'drip tip'?

Pete

Your not alone, I'm curious as well. 

Cheers 

Don

[awemawson]

I >>>think<<<< it's something to do with those 'electronic' cigarette nicotine inhalers from a bit of googling.

Andrew

[dsquire]

I >>>think<<<< it's something to do with those 'electronic' cigarette nicotine inhalers from a bit of googling.

Andrew

Andrew

You mean they tried to kill me with real cigarettes and after 50 years that hasn't worked (yet) now they want to try and use electronic cigarettes to finish the job. Those dam cigarette companies just never quit trying to get our money and kill us off.

Cheers 

Don

[S. Heslop]

Never mind. I just asked the guy becuase I wasn't so sure and I think I was mistaking it for something else.

[Brass_Machine]

Yup. They are used for E-cigs. Not the kind you buy all pre-made... more for the advanced e-cig user. It allows you to "drip" you nicotine liquid into your e-cig without having to basically take it apart.

I made a bunch for my nephew when he tried to break out into to vaping (smoking e-cigs) business.

Just make sure you are using stainless steel.

As far as shapes? Try using a ball turning attachment on the lathe...

Eric

[Pete W.]

Yup. They are used for E-cigs.   SNIP

Eric

Oh, and there I was thinking they were something to do with the bagpipes!          

[piper1]

I wish I could make a decent set of pipe.
Yes the drip tips are for electronic cigarette but not just the normal ones.   

[Pete.]

You could file up a form tool from sheet metal and make a basic follower mechanism for the cross-slide. Use the compound slide to advance the tool.

[piper1]

You could file up a form tool from sheet metal and make a basic follower mechanism for the cross-slide. Use the compound slide to advance the tool.

Thank you for the reply Pete, I've just tried to goggle a  "follower mechanism" but I could find anything, would you be able to point me in the right direction please.

[Pete.]

Use the term 'tracer attachment', you'll find what you want.

[piper1]

Use the term 'tracer attachment', you'll find what you want.

Thank you.

[unc1esteve]

You could set up to do it free hand like a wood lathe.
I think tubal cain has a video of that.

[S. Heslop]

Do you intend to produce many of these to close tolerances? Since they're mostly decorative you could just rough out the majority of the material with plunge cuts and a parting tool, then smooth the steps with a file and emery tape. If you need to keep close enough to a plan for some reason you could figure out how far to plunge each step.

Here's a shoddy representation.


Although the way i'd do them would just be to cut the bulk material free hand with the carriage and crosslide handwheel and file it smooth.

I know there's a great temptation to try do everything in clever and overly technical ways, but it's just not worth it for these one-off jobs. Keep it simple.

[piper1]

Do you intend to produce many of these to close tolerances? Since they're mostly decorative you could just rough out the majority of the material with plunge cuts and a parting tool, then smooth the steps with a file and emery tape. If you need to keep close enough to a plan for some reason you could figure out how far to plunge each step.

Here's a shoddy representation.


Although the way i'd do them would just be to cut the bulk material free hand with the carriage and crosslide handwheel and file it smooth.

I know there's a great temptation to try do everything in clever and overly technical ways, but it's just not worth it for these one-off jobs. Keep it simple.

Thank you for the reply.
I only intend to make them as one offs.
The diagram and instructions look pretty easy for me to understand and follow so I'm going to have a bash in the morning. 

[piper1]

You could set up to do it free hand like a wood lathe.
I think tubal cain has a video of that.

Thank you.
I couldn't find any video on tubal cain.

[S. Heslop]

You could set up to do it free hand like a wood lathe.
I think tubal cain has a video of that.

Thank you.
I couldn't find any video on tubal cain.

http://www.youtube.com/user/mrpete222/videos

Here's his video chanel. Well worth checking out.

[DaveH]

Piper,
Those forms can be quite easily achieved on a lathe, you will however need a 'radius turner' to make things easy.
Have a look at 'Divided he ads' (Ralph) posts.
Here's one to start
http://madmodder.net/index.php/topic,8423.msg90636.html#msg90636

 
DaveH

[piper1]

You could set up to do it free hand like a wood lathe.
I think tubal cain has a video of that.

Thank you.
I couldn't find any video on tubal cain.

Amazing thank you

http://www.youtube.com/user/mrpete222/videos

Here's his video chanel. Well worth checking out.

[piper1]

Piper,
Those forms can be quite easily achieved on a lathe, you will however need a 'radius turner' to make things easy.
Have a look at 'Divided he ads' (Ralph) posts.
Here's one to start
http://madmodder.net/index.php/topic,8423.msg90636.html#msg90636

 
DaveH

is this a devise that can be purchased or do you have to build one to fit your own lathe? sorry for the dumb questions.

Kev

[Bangkok Mick]

Do you intend to produce many of these to close tolerances? Since they're mostly decorative you could just rough out the majority of the material with plunge cuts and a parting tool, then smooth the steps with a file and emery tape. If you need to keep close enough to a plan for some reason you could figure out how far to plunge each step.

Here's a shoddy representation.


Although the way i'd do them would just be to cut the bulk material free hand with the carriage and crosslide handwheel and file it smooth.

I know there's a great temptation to try do everything in clever and overly technical ways, but it's just not worth it for these one-off jobs. Keep it simple.

Plunge cuts cleaned up with file and emery cloth is exactly what I used to make my mini shisha pipe and I was pleased with the result.
Cheers Mick

[Fergus OMore]

As you have called yourself 'Piper' and show a strangled octopus you should know what a chanter and drones looks like.

So the question is how did they make them? Actually, it is simple enough if you forget these dreadful carbide inserts and think that there are other things which remove metal or wood. What carves nice shapes in pipes and a lot of other things is not fancy carbides or fancier exotics but plain and simple 'form tools' in carbon steel or better high speed stuff.

I made me a left hand and right handed pair of form tools to do my chanter and drones in ten minutes.

You don't need fancy stuff, you need form tools.

Sorry but first things first.

Cheers

Norman

[DaveH]

is this a devise that can be purchased or do you have to build one to fit your own lathe? sorry for the dumb questions.
Kev

Hi Kev,
You can buy them, but most guys tend to make their own. There are a few different designs some easier to make than others.
One that seems to have become a favourite is the 'Steve bedair'  one.
His site shows how to make it  http://bedair.org/Ball/ball1.html
 
DaveH

[piper1]

is this a devise that can be purchased or do you have to build one to fit your own lathe? sorry for the dumb questions.
Kev

Hi Kev,
You can buy them, but most guys tend to make their own. There are a few different designs some easier to make than others.
One that seems to have become a favourite is the 'Steve bedair'  one.
His site shows how to make it  http://bedair.org/Ball/ball1.html
 
DaveH

Thank you Dave I will go and have a read.

Kev

[DaveH]

Kev,
There are some on here - here's one
http://madmodder.net/index.php/topic,548.0.html
 
DaveH

[piper1]

As you have called yourself 'Piper' and show a strangled octopus you should know what a chanter and drones looks like.

So the question is how did they make them? Actually, it is simple enough if you forget these dreadful carbide inserts and think that there are other things which remove metal or wood. What carves nice shapes in pipes and a lot of other things is not fancy carbides or fancier exotics but plain and simple 'form tools' in carbon steel or better high speed stuff.

I made me a left hand and right handed pair of form tools to do my chanter and drones in ten minutes.

You don't need fancy stuff, you need form tools.

Sorry but first things first.

Cheers

Norman

Thanks Norman, I would love to see a picture of the end product.

[piper1]

Kev,
There are some on here - here's one
http://madmodder.net/index.php/topic,548.0.html
 
DaveH

 

[DaveH]

And Bob did one http://madmodder.net/index.php/topic,9158.msg100724.html#msg100724
 
DaveH

[DaveH]

And if you wish to buy one http://www.serepton.co.uk/
 
DaveH

[Fergus OMore]

I made me a left hand and right handed pair of form tools to do my chanter and drones in ten minutes.

You don't need fancy stuff, you need form tools.

Sorry but first things first.

Cheers

Norman

Thanks Norman, I would love to see a picture of the end product.
[/quote]

Heavens! I made the pipes scores of years ago. No one wanted the supply of African blackwood and Brazilian. rosewood( under the bed ) so it went to a musical instrument repairer whose wife bought the bass saxophone.

Maybe, we'll meet up- we've a date a bit North of you in April. In my opinion you should be getting a little tool and cutter grinder if you are unhappy about hand grinding form tools.

Probably, I'd knock up a graver with a 1/8th bit( bit) of hss square and only sharpen one face. I recall that I was using a knocked about school lathe with a bit of steel rod as a rest in the tool post to steady things!

It's not Fancy stuff. Pipes were made and bored with the shepherd's wife's steel  knitting needles and ground on the sandstone wheel and honed on the kitchen window sill.

It may be basic but that is how things CAN be done.

I'll be in touch.

Norman

[unc1esteve]

Sorry I can not remember the particular tubal cain video.
Here is a link to get started.
http://www.woodworkforums.com/f65/freehand-turning-103759/
Do a google search on turning freehand on a metal lathe.

[piper1]

Sorry I can not remember the particular tubal cain video.
Here is a link to get started.
http://www.woodworkforums.com/f65/freehand-turning-103759/
Do a google search on turning freehand on a metal lathe.

Thanks Steve

[piper1]

And if you wish to buy one http://www.serepton.co.uk/
 
DaveH

Thanks again Dave.
I've just seen one that RDG TOOLS do which suit my budget at the moment or I might and wait and see if Santa brings me lol.

[Jonny]

No need for a ball turner since doing one offs and no need to set up.
Far easier and twenty times quicker making or using a ground up form tool or even a carbide radius works extremely well I do it daily but limited to 9.5mm depth. 2 mins for above shaping tops polished, really simple.

[piper1]

No need for a ball turner since doing one offs and no need to set up.
Far easier and twenty times quicker making or using a ground up form tool or even a carbide radius works extremely well I do it daily but limited to 9.5mm depth. 2 mins for above shaping tops polished, really simple.

Thank you, would you have any more information/pictures about a ground up form tool setup please.

[Jonny]

You have a couple of options, one may be to grind a hss tool up to required shape but that's probably ok if doing a few or more.
If its one or two off I would just use a selection of normal tools and literally rough it out to shape then an easy sand in maybe even file amazingly easy.

To do the shaping in 1st piccy dead simple, set your favourite tool at an angle plunge in and profile. The angles left should be finished item.
Radiuses have to keep an eye on what your doing by eg moving carriage 1/2 pace of cross slide so working the two together and constantly altering as curvature changes.

Other way is to set top slide to cut specific angles maybe in conjunction with opposite side of tool.

[Fergus OMore]

To do a ball handle form tool is by drilling a cone in a bit of softened file- then cut it in half and temper it again.

This is how Chaddock did the Ball handles on the Quorn.

N