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Mogas makes something.
« on: April 01, 2009, 07:11:37 AM »
Hello Mad Modders!
I have learned a lot from this forum and thought I would contribute something!
Sorry if it is old hat to you chaps but I thought it may be of use to another newbie like myself.
Up until recently I have been using ordinary tool steel and grinding various tips as required for the jobs to be done on my lathe.
I decided to step it up a notch and go carbide. Shopping around I soon found out that the tips and tool holders are rather pricey.
A bit of surfing cyber space uncovered this: http://bedair.org/Carbide/tool.html
My thanks to Steve Bedair whom I have never met or spoken to for the idea.
So I decided to have a go at making my own set of tool holders.
Machine:
A 3in1 of Chinese origin with a decent collet holder, chuck and some end mills, 4 and 14mm.
A 120mm rotary table.
Materials:
A scrap length of 16mm square bar, ordinary mild steel I think, milled down to 12 x 16mm in order to fit into my toolpost.
A few M3 countersunk machine screws.
The all important carbide tips, this type can be rotated and flipped over a total of 6 times each so should see me through to retirement before they are completely worn out!
The process was documented with photos, sorry, some were taken at night and are a little dark.
Here goes.

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Re: Mogas makes something.
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2009, 07:14:23 AM »
After milling the 16mm stock down to 12mm, blue and trace out the carbide tip.

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Re: Mogas makes something.
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2009, 07:17:26 AM »
I carefully leveled the work piece (I know the bubble is not centered, but it corresponds to the level of the bed!) Note to self: I must level my bench some time  :offtopic:

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Re: Mogas makes something.
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2009, 07:20:03 AM »
The fun part!
Mill, rotate mill some more.
These were taken at night so apologies for the picture quality.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2009, 07:34:05 AM by Mogas »

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Re: Mogas makes something.
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2009, 07:24:17 AM »
Another one.

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Re: Mogas makes something.
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2009, 07:25:51 AM »
Center punch the holes.

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Re: Mogas makes something.
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2009, 07:28:01 AM »
Tap to M3
I used the drill chuck with a center in it to keep that little tap straight.

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Re: Mogas makes something.
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2009, 07:33:13 AM »
Result!
Just a note: When I tried the tool, I found that there was not enough relief angle on the carbide tip when offered up to the job. The M3 screw was slackened off and a .4mm shim made out of old crate strapping inserted, giving just the right relief.
A little cleaning up with a file and the end result is a sturdy set of tool holders.
Over all, a very satisfying exercise!  :thumbup:
« Last Edit: April 01, 2009, 07:39:36 AM by Mogas »

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Re: Mogas makes something.
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2009, 09:01:04 AM »
Good job Mogas.

I am going to attempt this in the not too distant future. Thanks!

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Re: Mogas makes something.
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2009, 09:14:41 AM »
Nice one  :thumbup: I'm shure this will be usful to the chaps.

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Re: Mogas makes something.
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2009, 10:03:58 AM »
Nice Mogas.

Another option would be to grind the clearence angle on the side of the carbide tool with a green wheel or diamond wheel. You'll then only have 3 useful position to use instead of 6. It'll will also eliminate the use of a shim.

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Re: Mogas makes something.
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2009, 10:31:19 AM »
Enlightening and well documented, thank you  :clap:

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Re: Mogas makes something.
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2009, 01:20:30 PM »
Nicely done mogas, see you took a little more effort than I did.  :thumbup:

What size tips are you using?
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Re: Mogas makes something.
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2009, 04:36:47 PM »
Nicely done mogas, see you took a little more effort than I did.  :thumbup:

What size tips are you using?
Sorry, I don't even know what size they are  :scratch:, 16mmx16mmx16mm I guess about 09 judging by your thread. My tooling supplier lets me into the Aladin's cave and I just picked up off the shelf what looked likely to work.
BTW, I have not given them a full performance test as you did  Darren :clap: but I am sure they are up to it, not sure about my machine though!
Thank you all for the kind words.
My next project will be a home made parting tool holder, I will be posting some pictures and seeking advice!

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Re: Mogas makes something.
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2009, 06:34:46 PM »
I'm certainly no expert but it sounds like the same size as I used, 09,  :thumbup:
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