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Offline Brian Rupnow

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« Reply #75 on: August 28, 2014, 11:31:43 AM »
Well, that's my good (machining) deed for this morning. Now on to more mundane things like mowing the lawn. We've had so much rain this summer the damn lawn is growing like it was still June!!!

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« Reply #76 on: August 28, 2014, 05:36:56 PM »
And yes, I do occasionally resort to "crude lashups"----Especially when my main Kurt clone vice lacks just that tiny little bit of opening wide enough to hold the part I want to work on. Why all the layout dye?---I just felt like painting for a change!!!

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« Reply #77 on: August 28, 2014, 06:21:11 PM »
And here we have it with the "poll approved' baseplate. In the rear view you can see the two 3/16" diameter alignment pins which fit into holes reamed thru all 3 pieces which bolt together to maintain alignment. You can also see the rear crankshaft bushing which extends 3/8" out past the backplate for my ignition point mounting plate to register on, to give me variable timing while the engine is running. The 3/8" shaft setting in the bushing is just a long piece of 3/8" rod used for a temporary alignment rod for the bushings.


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« Reply #78 on: August 29, 2014, 07:29:20 PM »
So far, on this build, I have been making great speed machining the comparatively "easy" parts. I consider the hardest parts will probably be the cylinder and the combustion chamber, so I'm shying away from them so far. I guess that before I go much farther, I better have a crankshaft. It is a two piece crankshaft, which I haven't made before, with a primary half and a follower half. The fact that it is two piece lets me run a con rod with a needle bearing in the big end, which is not split.


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« Reply #79 on: August 30, 2014, 06:07:53 PM »
Nothing of real importance machined in the last two days. I moved my son and his family from a rented townhouse into the house I bought two weeks ago. My Gawd!!! I never realized you could collect so much junk after living in a townhouse for ten years. He only had to move about 1/4 mile, so I moved him with my little Ford Ranger, and he had a friend to help with the heavy lifting. I think it took about 16 trips, but we got everything moved between 8 in the morning and four in the afternoon, except the barbecue, which we forgot. Went back and got it this morning. The new house currently looks like a disaster area, but him and his wife can sort that out this week coming. The kids will be able to start in their new schools on Tuesday. I had good intentions of starting work on the crankshaft, but this afternoon I'm too pooped to participate.

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« Reply #80 on: August 30, 2014, 08:29:11 PM »
I hear you! I bought my house in 82 so my butt is staying where it is  I've acumulated too much stuff mind you the basement shop is nice the double car garage is full!   :doh:

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« Reply #81 on: August 31, 2014, 07:27:16 AM »
This type of crankshaft, where only one half bears the load from the connecting rod, and the other half simply follows the arc of the first half to drive the ignition points is something entirely new to me. I think that as suggested, the entire crankshaft will be press fit together with no pins or welds. I have found by experimentation that a .002" interference gives a really hard press fit, as hard a fit as I am capable of achieving with my equipment. The only "slip fit" will be where the con rod journal enters the web of the "follower half" of the crankshaft. The con rod journal itself will be hardened to 50-55 Rockwell c so the con rod needle bearings running directly on it will not chew up the surface. In order to get the holes in exactly the same locations in both crankshaft webs, I plan on mig welding the two bars from which the webs will be cut together, then drilling and reaming the holes with undersize reamers while they are clamped to the milling machine table with toe clamps (with a 1/2" piece of sacrificial aluminum between them and the mill table) to ensure that the axis of the holes are 100% square to the face of the bars. I don't trust my vice for this rather critical operation. I will have the thinner of the two bars, which forms the web of the follower crankshaft on top of the stack, so that I can run the undersize rod journal reamer thru both bars, then without changing my set-up run the clearance reamer thru the topmost bar only.--(Picture to follow). I think that in order to ensure that the pushed in shaft sets square to the plates, I will push the shafts thru the flatbar about 1/2", then trim the excess shaft sticking out the far side with my lathe.

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« Reply #82 on: August 31, 2014, 07:37:14 AM »
I seem to get more reactions to my posts when I post the actual in progress drawings of the pieces I am making even though these drawings may change somewhat as the pieces are actually made. For that reason I am going to post the drawings marked as "preliminary" purely for interest sake for the remainder of this project. I do not recommend that anyone save these drawings, but instead wait until the end of the project when I will post a download link to all of the corrected drawings.--I will begin by posting drawings of the parts which have already been made.-Brian



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Re: Side Valve i.c. engine from Bar stock
« Reply #83 on: August 31, 2014, 07:39:53 AM »
The gears---


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« Reply #84 on: August 31, 2014, 08:11:46 AM »
Here you can see my crankshaft web layout on one of the cold rolled steel bars. (There is one extra arc on there that shouldn't be---I had the compass set wrong) I won't be machining from that layout. It is only a visual reference. I will use the edge finder and the dials on the mill table to locate and drill/ream all the holes. You can also see a short bit of mig weld holding the two bars together. There is another weld the same size on the far side. I will drill both bars at the same time, then separate them and trim them, then press them onto their respective shafts and finish the o.d. in the lathe. It will be an interrupted cut, but i don't see any good way to avoid that.


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« Reply #85 on: August 31, 2014, 12:26:48 PM »
I found a mistake in the reamed hole size in the "crankshaft for side valve engine" and I have corrected it, but there doesn't seem to be any way to modify my previous post on this forum, so here is the same post with the error corrected.
So far, on this build, I have been making great speed machining the comparatively "easy" parts. I consider the hardest parts will probably be the cylinder and the combustion chamber, so I'm shying away from them so far. I guess that before I go much farther, I better have a crankshaft. It is a two piece crankshaft, which I haven't made before, with a primary half and a follower half. The fact that it is two piece lets me run a con rod with a needle bearing in the big end, which is not split.


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« Reply #86 on: August 31, 2014, 02:46:45 PM »
Hmmmmmmm---The best laid plans of mice and men----I reamed the holes in my web plates with my 0.4985"  reamer. I then went to press the 5.0005 drill rod into place. It was su7pposed to be a .002" interference fit. It didn't exactly fall through, but it sure as heck didn't press. So much for my "all press fitted" crankshaft. That will now be amended to "My silver soldered crankshaft!!!"

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« Reply #87 on: August 31, 2014, 06:11:56 PM »
Just as I was all set up to start silver soldering, my wife called about some emergency connected with the new house. Seems that 3 year old grandson had managed to lock and close a bunch of doors that there were apparently no keys to unlock!!!--After dashing across town and applying my dormant burglary skills (which mostly involved beating on the locksets with my 3 pound hammer till the guts all fell out of the locksets) I got to thinking-----I really didn't want to solder the crankshaft. I wanted it all pressed together. Then I got to thinking, I have a lot of 5/8" cold rolled shaft ends about 10" long that some kind soul from Toronto or Orangeville brought me a couple of years ago. The simplest thing in the world would be to turn new crankshaft ends (They are only about 3" long) and bump up the end diameter to whatever size will be a hard press fit in the holes I reamed in the webs. I THINK I know why the reamed holes are larger than they were supposed to be.---Hindsight being 20/20, I think I was running the reamer too fast and that made it cut oversize. I know that the drill rod I have just re-measured is exactly 0.500, not the .5005 that I was expecting it to be, and it is a somewhat loose sliding fit in the reamed holes. This leads me to believe that if I make up a new crankshaft end that is 0.500 diameter for all of its length except the last 3/8" which I hold at .503" diameter, I should ultimately end up with what I wanted---all press fitted together. The follower end will be turned to 3/8" over its full length, again, except for the last 5/16" where I will hold the 0.503" diameter.  This is holding things to closer tolerances than I am used to working to, but it will give me what I wanted.

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« Reply #88 on: August 31, 2014, 06:25:55 PM »
It has been a rather upside down afternoon for me, and in all the excitement I forgot to post a couple of "in process" shots of the crankshaft webs. The shot where the two bars are clamped on the milling machine bed show the shaft holes being drilled and reamed, and the holes drilled which will give the 1/4" radius in the inside corners. The second shot shows where the  excess material has been milled away, and both parts are almost completely separated from the parent stock. The next step, if I ever get there, is to press the webs onto the crankshaft ends, set them up in the lathe, and turn the outer diameter of the plates to the finished dimension.


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« Reply #89 on: August 31, 2014, 07:43:58 PM »
IT WORKED!!!!!  0.503" was just the ticket. It was all I could do with my big nasty old mechanics vice to bring the shaft all the way thru the web, and then with a hollow socket backing the web up, about 3/8" more. Then I set it up in the lathe, cut the stub end off that was sticking thru, and finish machined the outer diameter of the web. Tomorrow will do the same to the follower half of the crankshaft.

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« Reply #90 on: September 01, 2014, 10:56:07 AM »
So--Ladies and Gentlemen--Here we have it!! My very first, two piece pressed together crankshaft. One picture shows the two pieces separated with the needle bearing for the big end of the con rod laying between them. The second picture shows the two piece crankshaft assembled with the needle roller bearing setting in its place. Each end of the crankshaft is supported by two bearings or bushings. The force from the con rod is totally transmitted through the 3/8" thick web plate to the large side of the crankshaft. The"free" end of the con rod journal engages with a slip fit hole in the other web and drives the smaller diameter side of the crankshaft, which operates the timing gears and the ignition points.


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« Reply #91 on: September 01, 2014, 02:08:11 PM »
So, here's a view "Down the hole" as it were. The crankshaft fits in nicely, nothing rubs or scrapes when rotated through 360 degrees. There is one tight spot in the rotation, but it's only a minor tight spot which I'm sure will wear away once the engine is ran for a few minutes. There are supposed to be spacer rings incorporated into the crankshaft, just behind each web, but I'm going to wait until I have the cylinder, piston, and rod in place to determine their final thickness.

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« Reply #92 on: September 01, 2014, 02:36:48 PM »
And now, since I have the material setting right here on the corner of my desk, I think I will machine some bronze.


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Re: Side Valve i.c. engine from Bar stock
« Reply #93 on: September 01, 2014, 05:55:05 PM »
Looking good, Brian!  :thumbup:

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« Reply #94 on: September 02, 2014, 08:32:13 PM »
No machining today. I did however work 8 hours in a design office across town, rush home, gobble supper, drive to new house, install 3 smoke/carbon monoxide detectors, put new locksets (without keyholes) on two doors, measured up the partially rotten deck for new planks as required, and remove one door and bring it home to trim the top so it will close properly and install a cat door. Now I'm going to drink my herbal tea and go to bed!!!

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« Reply #95 on: September 04, 2014, 09:35:16 AM »
Had time for a "quicky" before I left the house this morning.---No, not that kind of "Quicky" ya dirty buggers!!! I finished and installed the tappet guide, in bronze. The corners aren't mitered yet, as I thought it best to bolt all the mating pieces together and miter them all at the same time so the corners line up nice.

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« Reply #96 on: September 04, 2014, 05:56:34 PM »
Making a 4" diameter flywheel from a 6" diameter slab of bronze x 1 3/8" thick may be cheap---(I got the bronze for nothing), but it sure isn't easy!!! That's a lot of cutting on my old "push as you go" 14" jet bandsaw!! I have a good center punch mark  where I anchored one leg of the compass that drew the 4 1/8" circle, and I will use that center punch mark for setting up in my 4 jaw chuck in the lathe to turn the  flywheel.

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« Reply #97 on: September 06, 2014, 07:54:17 AM »
Slowly the flywheel is taking shape. I centered it in my lathe 4 jaw chuck around the center punch hole that I mentioned in a previous post, then turned most of the outer diameter (except the part held by the jaws) and drilled and reamed the center hole and the two large counterbores and faced the exposed side. My 3 jaw chuck will hold up to a 4 1/8" diameter piece with the reversed jaws in it, and the flywheel was now 4" diameter on the machined outer diameter, so I changed chucks, flipped the flywheel around, and carved away the material to leave the 2" diameter spigot as shown in the picture. I still have to take my evil trepanning tool and put the recessed annulus in the exposed side, and then add the 3 tapped holes to hold the starter ring and put in a keyway and set screws. I an very busy with other things right now, so I just do a bit of machining whenever I can fit it in.(And if I have any energy left!!!!)

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« Reply #98 on: September 07, 2014, 02:15:06 PM »
Cowabunga!!! I like that!! And that is the last easy part finished for a while. I want to see what this thing looks like with a cylinder on it.

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« Reply #99 on: September 07, 2014, 02:50:49 PM »
I just had to share this, because I know all you old grandpa types like me will love it. This shot was taken last week as the girls were heading back to school for 2014. Brennen is too young for school, but he wanted to be in the picture. Wife and I just got back from our first "overnighter" with all 3 grandkids. Drove 185 Km up to Bancroft to see my 94 year old mother and wish her a happy birthday. There is always a certain amount of trepidation when taking a grandkid away overnight for his/her very first time, but Brennen was a trooper and probably slept better than I did. "Little Grandma" was happy to see Bren, as the last time she seen him he was a new born.