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Title: Radial Dirod
Post by: DavesWimshurst on May 17, 2009, 02:27:55 PM
Hi all,
Bluechip reminded me of my dirod I built about 10 years ago.
(http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt46/DavesWimshurst/intro%20pics/IMG_0256.jpg)

a little video
(http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt46/DavesWimshurst/intro%20pics/th_MVI_0258.jpg) (http://s596.photobucket.com/albums/tt46/DavesWimshurst/intro%20pics/?action=view&current=MVI_0258.flv)

I used to leave it set up on my kitchen table.  One day I had an overly sensitive carbon monoxide detector go off.  I called what I thought would be the non emergency fire department number to check it out.   Minutes later a fire engine and a couple of police cars pulled up in front of my house. After determining there was no real danger one of the police officers looking at the dirod asked "What's that? Q bomb?!"  I explained what it really was and gave a demo of it in action.  It had capacitors attached giving it about a 3 or 4 inch spark.  The police woman said  "We could have used that on tha guy we arrested last Thursday!"  Fortunately everyone laughed.

Dave
 
Title: Re: Radial Dirod
Post by: Bernd on May 17, 2009, 02:31:21 PM
Dave that looks like a project that needs to be writte up here.  :poke:

Bernd
Title: Re: Radial Dirod
Post by: sbwhart on May 17, 2009, 03:16:37 PM
Is it what we call a vandograph  :scratch:
 :zap:

Stew

Title: Re: Radial Dirod
Post by: raynerd on May 17, 2009, 04:50:37 PM
Hey that looks fantastic - have you got any more details about exactly what this is and how it works? I teach science and something like that would look excellent on the side of my lab!! I presume it works in a similar way to the Vandergraph - which we do have and is a LOT of fun!!?
Title: Re: Radial Dirod
Post by: Bluechip on May 17, 2009, 05:23:40 PM
Hi Folks

You need this ..

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_w_h_?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=a+d+moore+electrostatic&x=12&y=12

It's all in there, and a whole lot of other delights of HV electrostatics


Dave
Title: Re: Radial Dirod
Post by: Divided he ad on May 17, 2009, 05:29:19 PM
It looks like a powered Wimshurst macine?

A Vandograph generator is that big spark producing chrome dome on my Harrogate 2009 video  :thumbup: 

The Wimshurst machine is the one on the same video that produces the little sparks and has the dancing foil ball on it.


Still these things in all their guises are cool to watch ( but some are also potentially dangerous I think?) I have thought many times about making one  :dremel:



A topic on such a build would be very, very interesting Dave  :poke:   :thumbup:



Ralph.
Title: Re: Radial Dirod
Post by: DavesWimshurst on May 17, 2009, 05:45:59 PM
Bernd,
The machine was built over 10 years ago using the plans in the book "Electrostatics" by A. D. Moore.  Perhaps a few pictures and hints that I can remember will be useful. 
The hub was made from 3/4 inch acrylic and the rods are from 3/8 inch aluminum.  Shallow grooves were turned near the hub end of each rod to help anchor them in the hub using epoxy.  Vent holes were drilled to allow air and excess glue to escape.
(http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt46/DavesWimshurst/intro%20pics/IMG_0260.jpg)
I made the frame from polycarbonate because I had some from another project. Stainless screws were used at all joints.
Some more pics:

Charge collectors
(http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt46/DavesWimshurst/intro%20pics/IMG_0263.jpg)

Inductors
(http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt46/DavesWimshurst/intro%20pics/IMG_0265.jpg)

The machine needs conductive brushes,  I used material from static protection bags used for sensitive electronic devices years ago.   These are the kind with a black opaque coating, never throw anything useful away!.  I'm not sure if the more modern film coated plastic would work.  Wire brushes could work but might scratch the parts.

Stew
Van de graaff generator
(http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt46/DavesWimshurst/intro%20pics/IMG_0267.jpg)

home made one
(http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt46/DavesWimshurst/intro%20pics/IMG_0266.jpg)

15 inch dome with 12 inch ruler
(http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt46/DavesWimshurst/intro%20pics/IMG_0271.jpg)
The copper band was formed in three sections using soft hammers to beat the annealed copper sheet into a spherical aluminum form.  Much work!  The copper was from 4 inch pipe purchased from a scrap yard before the price of copper spiked.  The stainless bowls had to be hand worked because they are so thin.  This project is on hold for the moment awaiting ambition.
Dave


Title: Re: Radial Dirod
Post by: Darren on May 17, 2009, 06:06:49 PM
Is it what we call a vandograph  :scratch:
 :zap:

Stew



Thanks for that Stew, those where my thoughts but I wasn't entirely sure it was the same thing  :clap:
Title: Re: Radial Dirod
Post by: Bernd on May 17, 2009, 06:59:27 PM
Dave,

Thanks for the extra pictures. Very much appreciated.

Very interesting machine. Never seen one like that.

Bernd
Title: Re: Radial Dirod
Post by: sbwhart on May 18, 2009, 12:50:46 AM
Dave thanks for showing pics very interesting and ingenious
 :mmr:

Stew

Title: Re: Radial Dirod
Post by: raynerd on May 18, 2009, 01:49:48 AM
thanks for all the info! - it is my next project after Kelvins Generator!!
Title: Re: Radial Dirod
Post by: Brass_Machine on May 18, 2009, 09:42:40 AM
That's very cool. I think I want to build one!

Eric
Title: Re: Radial Dirod
Post by: websterz on May 20, 2009, 09:57:39 PM
I would like to build a Tesla coil with a motion sensor. We have a lot of cats in the neighborhood... :zap: