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The Shop => Our Shop => Topic started by: Darren on April 16, 2009, 02:41:00 PM
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Not really my shop, but it soon will when I've finished it.... :)
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/thebodger/Garage/IMG_1663.jpg)
Keeps me busy... :ddb:
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cool!
What are the dimensions? I really need to redo mine. Tired of working in my basement.
Eric
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6.5m long and 4m wide and high enough for a Bridgy.... :ddb:
Oh and plenty of room at the back for a later extension about 4x3M.
Bin working on the roof timbers for the last couple of days, should be done tomorrow hopefully. Then the slates go on.... :)
Need to start thinking what I'm going to do for a door :scratch:
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About the same size as my garage. Mine is 11"x20" right now. I do want to demolish it and go with 15"x24". That would make me very happy:)
You gonna heat\cool it? Plenty of lighting and power right?
Eric
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About the same size as my garage. Mine is 11"x20" right now. I do want to demolish it and go with 15"x24". That would make me very happy:)
You gonna heat\cool it? Plenty of lighting and power right?
Eric
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ah hem, Eric. Wouldn't you be happier with a 15 foot by 42 foot. Might be a bit less cramped.
*"INCOMING"*
Bernd
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You gonna heat\cool it? Plenty of lighting and power right?
Eric
I'm an electrician Eric, or was....wada you think? :thumbup:
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Are them flying buttresses you've built on there Darren its not a Cathedral your building is it :scratch:
Yu'll be adding cloisters and a bell tower next.
Stew
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Don't worry about the windup Bernd is getting up to.
I know he likes to practice dancing in his shop, that is why he had it made so large.
Can you just imagine him in tights and a tutu, leaping and spinning between machines, tweaking the handles to the tune of swan lake in the background.
Unlike us Brits who like to run two machines at a time, by just turning our bodies thru 90 degrees.
Nice looking build Darren, a bit on the large side though.
Are you taking dancing lessons by the way?
Bogs
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Ah ha.....that is by design..... :thumbup:
My missus wanted a seating area by the grass, the roof over this bit will extend and the walls will be build up.
I of course want to put doors on it and keep the mower, spades, rake, plant pots soil ect in there to keep them out of MY workshop :lol:
I wonder who will win........ :ddb:
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Are you taking dancing lessons by the way?
Bogs
The only dancing I do is when the hot swarf bites.... :lol:
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You won't want to see me in a tutu. It's scary.
Bernd
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You won't want to see me in a tutu. It's scary.
Bernd
Probably bloody illegal as well.
JS.
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Built up the back wall, added some facia supports and cemented them in. Will need finishing with more cement.
Then moved over to the front to build the overhanging roof. Support frames were made first to take my weight before getting up there :lol:
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/thebodger/Garage/IMG_1706.jpg)
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Looking good there Darern.
What size are those rafters, 2" X 4"? Just courious.
BTW, it looks like your in a hilly area. Background looks nice.
Bernd
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I hope you are leaving a gap in the ceiling so you can access all the loft storage space?
Nice block work BTW.
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Looking good there Darern.
What size are those rafters, 2" X 4"? Just courious.
BTW, it looks like your in a hilly area. Background looks nice.
Bernd
Yes, 2x4's Bernd at 400mm centers, 16" to you.... :D
There are a few more strengthening bits to go in yet as it's to be a slate roof. Oh and to hold all my junk in the loft.
There will be a loft hatch, maybe two to make life easier as I have plenty to go up there !!
First time I've built an apex roof, and only one pent before that many years ago. Seems to have gone well enough. Certainly solid.
I live right in the hills Bernd, mountains that is in Snowdonia. I love it here but shopping is a chore as there are not any decent shops for miles upon miles... :med:
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Thought it might be time for an update,
Going is slow, I've never slated a roof before and there is quite a bit involved esp working out where to start, overhangs etc. The trick is not to cut any to size to keep the whole roof even looking.....still, it's coming along..bit at a time... :)
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/thebodger/Garage/IMG_1908.jpg)
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Just said this but... I think you're going quickly.... I'd be draggin' my heels!
Wouldn't it be nice if you could start from the top and work your way down? :smart:
Keep it up, you never know when a big lathe or a Briggy might just come your way? :thumbup:
Ralph.
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I think I'm draggin my heals Ralph...!! But it has rained quite a bit here....
I suppose when you came last Sat there was nothing on so I guess it looks good :)
A Coldchester Master was offered to me for little money when I bought the mill. It came with an inverter too.
It was the sheer size of the thing that put me off, I mean they are huge...not worried about housing it, just moving the lump is beyond my capabilities.
Too big..... :doh:
But then again.... :lol:
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I just realised what you meant Ralph.... :lol: :lol: :lol: Draggin heals
I'll let you explain it to the guys............. :ddb: :ddb: :ddb:
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Darren,
That roof is looking pretty good. A couple of questions. Appearently no subroofing material is used, just purlins (the small pieces of wood run running parallel with the slate) to nail the slate to? And does the slate have holes in it already to nail through?
It's facinating to see how in different countries the build techniques are so much different.
Bernd
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Hi Bernd,
No purlings in this roof, what we have here are trusses, though I made them up myself. The down bits we call rafters and the cross pieces we call battens.
The rafters are 2x4's and the rafters are 2x1's. The sheet is a breathable waterproof membrane.
The proper way to slate a roof is to sheet the whole roof in ply, then the water proof membrane, battens and finally the slates themselves. but in all the years I have crawled in roof spaces as an electrician I have never once seen the ply sheets...
Do you use ply over there?
Most slates come ready holed, but I'm tight so bought mine without to save on cost. 700 slates would have cost me £90 to have holed. I did it in 3hrs so that's £30 an hour.
I'd do it all day for £30 an hr...!!
You just bang a 4" nail through with a hammer to make the holes. I made a wooden frame/jig and did four slates at a time. You could hole them as you put them up with the copper nails but it's easier if you hole them on the ground first.
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BTW, Here I could have used metal sheets, polyroof, or just about anything for a garage or shed.
But in this area of the UK all house roofs have to have slate, a ruling to help the local industry as it's a slate mining area, nothing else is allowed. Slate is produced here but everyone, inc me, uses Spanish slate..
Go figure....
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I like slates, they are permanent.
(http://www.stevenson-engineers.co.uk/files/patio3.jpg)
Shot of the back of our house, the main roof was put up in 1901, the kitchen extension is done with new slates and was done in 2004 and there is hardly any difference.
JS.
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I'm still trying to work out why you needed an extension ..... :lol:
That house is huge.... :clap:
Yes, I like slates, next door has just had it's roof re done, last time was nearly 200yrs ago apparently.
And they reused the old slates, nothing wrong with them. Just some of the timbers had gone, but not all of them !!
I chose slate cos I'm getting older, 10-15yrs other products would need attention and I would be way past getting up there again.
By the time this roof needs looking at I'll be long gone :ddb:
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Got it Darren. My dad once told me they had hammers that had a sharp point that they would use to make a hole in the slate for the nail. (family orginally from Germany) As you know in Germany that a lot of the older houses had tile roofs.
Ah yes battens, that's right. I'm amazed that 2 X 4's rafters are stong enough for all that wieght.
Below is a picture of the house project about 12 years ago. The walls are 4" styrofoam with 3/8" OSB (oriented strand board). The roof is 2 X 6 rafters, sheathing is 1/2" or 5/8" plywood, tar paper and the 35 year architecutal shingles. More wood is used here because it's plentiful and a natrual resource. The basememnt is poured concrete. Something still a bit unusall here because of a large block manufacturer in the area.
(http://www.kingstonemodeleng.com/MiscShop/Station/pics/house21.jpg)
John Stevenson, that is a very lovely looking back yard and house you have there. Looks very cozy.
Bernd
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I can't believe you still build Wendy houses out there :lol:
But I bet they are better insulated than ours in stone, brick, or block. Don't the rot though or get eaten by something small and nasty.
If not that then the wind? Would hardly last here after a couple of winter gales...
As you say, interesting how differently we do things.... :nrocks:
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But I bet they are better insulated than ours in stone, brick, or block. Don't the rot though or get eaten by something small and nasty.
Yes better insulated. They won't rot if you keep them dry. We don't have the wet weather you do I believe. Winter takes care of the small and nasty. Worst we have are carpenter ants.
If not that then the wind? Would hardly last here after a couple of winter gales...
We've had 60 mile (100KPH) winds. The shingles are still on and the house never so much as shook at all. Now if you in live in "tornado alley", that's a whole nother thing. I don't care what you build it'll be pretty much destroyed. Same goes if you live on the east coast like Florida or up along the coast. Hurricanes have a tendencey to level houses to.
As you say, interesting how differently we do things.... :nrocks:
That's why is so interesting to see pics of how people build structures in other countries. If you go to HMEM and look in the General section, Maryak is building a house down in Austrila. Completeley different technique again.
To be honest with you I wish I had a much smaller place. Keeping six aceres neat looking is tough and takes a lot of shop time away from you. Mind you I don't mow all that but it still takes some time to mow part of it. And it's not even done yet. :doh:
Bernd
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My step father emigrated to Minnesota some years ago, apparently his lawn is 6acres and he mows it with a huge ride on thing, it's as big as his car which is bigger than my people carrier.
The grounds are so large there is no fence between him and the neighbors, even the dog wouldn't wander that far so there is no need for any.
Life is so different, he won't even visit the UK any more says it's nothing but a rip off economy, I think the general masses are at last waking up to this if the swathes of retired people emigrating are anything to go by...
Space, I have space, but nothing like you get over there....we can only dream....
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I just realised what you meant Ralph.... :lol: :lol: :lol: Draggin heals
I'll let you explain it to the guys............. :ddb: :ddb: :ddb:
Ok.... You've lost me?
My ref' was my lazy ass self and my 6 year old house that I still haven't lived in!!
Anywho.... I still think your motoring on with that roof :thumbup:
Speaking of which.... Hows your rack.....? (that'll get the colonials wondering :lol: )
Bernd.... If I had your plot then my workshop would take up at least 2/3rds of it....Not just the house.... the whole site! :thumbup: I'd fill it with so much stuff that when anyone wanted me they'd have to send in a search party a week earlier :headbang:
You only need a small bedroom, bathroom and a kitchen other than that surely? :lol:
Ralph.
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Ok.... You've lost me?
My ref' was my lazy ass self and my 6 year old house that I still haven't lived in!!
That was my point, you should have seen this place when I bought it 18mths ago, you wouldn't believe the amount of work that's been done to get it to what you saw the other weekend. We have worked hard, but it's worth it. Another 18mths to go and we should be nearly there. Can slow down a bit then. :coffee:
Speaking of which.... Hows your rack.....? (that'll get the colonials wondering :lol: )
Got me wondering too :scratch:
Bernd.... If I had your plot then my workshop would take up at least 2/3rds of it....Not just the house.... the whole site! :thumbup: I'd fill it with so much stuff that when anyone wanted me they'd have to send in a search party a week earlier :headbang:
I'm spoilt, I have plenty of room, and I'm still building a garage :doh:
You only need a small bedroom, bathroom and a kitchen other than that surely? :lol:
Can you explain that to my missus.....
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"Anywho.... I still think your motoring...." The motoring bit lead me to rack, which as you said was poorly on your motor! .... And the little that I know (from films of course!!) when an American refers to a "rack" it usually belongs to a woman!!
Obscure joke of the month?? .... Do I get a prize!?! :lol:
Wow... That even lost all humour I had from it in the translation!! :doh:
Quote from: Divided he ad on Today at 11:45:23
You only need a small bedroom, bathroom and a kitchen other than that surely?
Can you explain that to my missus.....
Yep.... But it'd make as much sense to her as the above jokes did to everyone else!! :lol: Sorry chief!
Still.... You got that roof on yet? :poke: :lol:
Ralph.
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Oh, the rack :doh:,
turned out to be a leaky hose. £120 +vat plus fitting, ouch...for a hose.....!! :hammer:
I must get this garage finished !!
It's not raining so I might...!!
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£120:00 + vat then fitting :jaw: :bugeye: :jaw:
I should possibly re-think my trade choice?!?! (maybe not!)
I just spent the last few hours swapping a landrover UJ joint over.... Pressing out/pressing in... Haven't done one for bout 10 years.... Amazing how you can recall whan you need to! :smart:
Still.... Didn't fix the issue (needed doing though) Diff' strip downs next..... Yep! Both of em!! :bang:
Anyway, back on track.... Isn't it a good day over there? It's nice and bright over here :wave:
Get yer roof on!! :poke: :)
Ralph.
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Yep nice and sunny here,
But the clutch cable went when bring the car home yesterday, now I need to get it back to the garage but can't drive it.
I get fed up with cars, always something to fix and these days it costs 100's every time. Once it was easy, you could do it yourself, now it's deliberately made difficult.
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And the little that I know (from films of course!!) when an American refers to a "rack" it usually belongs to a woman!!
Ralph.
What, you weren't talking about a Moose. :lol:
Bernd.... If I had your plot then my workshop would take up at least 2/3rds of it....Not just the house.... the whole site! I'd fill it with so much stuff that when anyone wanted me they'd have to send in a search party a week earlier
Ralph the taxes would kill you for a building that size. Believe me.
Bernd
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I get fed up with cars, always something to fix and these days it costs 100's every time. Once it was easy, you could do it yourself, now it's deliberately made difficult.
Why do you think I'm happier fitting garage doors :) They bring out supposed inovative stuff all the time but never test it properly and your forever having to learn new systems.... Progress sucks!! Happily I get away with the labour costs unless it's electronic ECU stuff!!!
you weren't talking about a Moose. :lol:
Whatever floats your boat Bernd!! :lol:
Ralph the taxes would kill you for a building that size. Believe me.
They'd have to find me in there first!! :borg: :) (the taxes on your side of the pond, I have no idea about their workings.... Not really a topic for this board ehh!? )
Anyway... Massivly :offtopic:
So Darren.... Got your roof on yet? :poke: :lol:
Ralph.
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So Darren.... Got your roof on yet? :poke: :lol:
Ralph.
Almost Ralph, slates are now on (it finally stopped raining !!) just the ridge tiles to go now :)
Still go the rest of it to build tho, but we can do the inside in the rain now.... :ddb: :ddb: :ddb:
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/thebodger/Garage/IMG_2257.jpg)
We had four slates left over, pretty good calculating if I may say so :thumbup:
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Looking good Darren!
Eric
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Thanks Eric,
I have to say I was getting pretty sick of seeing slates towards the end. Glad I'm not a roofer :med:
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I am jealous... Looks like such a nice place. My garage at present is little more than a 11' x 20' shed on the verge of collapse!
Eric
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Glad I'm not a roofer :med:
Still ............ :med: .................. nice job with the roof tiling Darren :thumbup:
CC
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Looking good there Darren :clap:
So, 2-3 weeks and we should have the last coat of paint going onto the plastered walls and then the big move eh? :)
(well that's the kind of comments I keep getting!!)
It's gonna be nice when it's finished :thumbup:
Ralph.
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It's gonna be nice when it's finished
I don't think 'nice' really cuts it.
G-R-E-A-T sounds a lot better.
Nice one Darren
John
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G-R-E-A-T sounds a lot better.
You been eating Frosties John? :lol:
I think that this might cover it?!! it'll be, ahhhh..... (sing it with me.....) supercalifragilisticexpialidocious when it's finished Darren :ddb: :thumbup: :ddb:
Better John? :lol:
Ralph. :D
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That's better.
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That's better.
Yep!
That`ll do...... :)
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Thanks Guys,
We had to think hard about what to put on the roof, some sort of sheeting would have been easier, but not as good long term.
The pro's and cons were
Sheeting, cheaper and easier but not as nice looking or long lasting. Hot in summer, cold in winter.
Slate, very expensive, never done it before and a lot of work. better heat regulation all year round, plus we are going to insulate it as well. (I must be getting soft)
We are glad we chose slates, though it's not cheap. I should never have to attend to the roof again on my lifetime which was the deciding factor. I'm not getting any younger you know :lol: And if we sell the place at a later date we should get a good return on our investment.
:)
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Ohhh slatesssss...
I will be needing to re-do my garage roof in a couple years here... its a 8-12 pitch IIRC. VERY VERY STEEP.
Do slates work on a steep roof very well? And are they really expensive? I mean... shingles are the big thing here. All sorts in all sorts of colors, and shapes. They are tar and gravel style fiberglass IIRC. I just wasnt sure what the requirements and effort is to do Slates.. and we are talking Rock... correct?
I am gonna have to research those.. They look really nice. :headbang:
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Spin,
Using slate depands on the roof structure. If they are 2 X 4 on 32" centers I think slate would be to heavy. 2 X 6 on 16" centers would be better. Slate is rock or hardened mud actually. I think you can also get them firberglass version.
Don't they use Spanish tile for roofing in Florida?
Bernd
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I used Spanish slates...
2x4 are ok with 24" centers, it's common around here and we can only use slate, no shingles allowed.
I used 2x4 with 16" centers just to be safe.... :ddb:
Spin, slates can go on a flat wall as a waterproof covering, very steep roofs present no problems... :thumbup:
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If a shingle comes off, it blows away in the wind. You have to nail a new one on.
If a tile falls off, it dents your head and knocks you out. You have to replace the tile.
If a slate comes off and hits you edge on, it cuts you in half. It is then someone else's problem.
John
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2x4 are ok with 24" centers, it's common around here and we can only use slate, no shingles allowed.
Darren,
Do those dimensions take into concideration a snow load? I know slate has to be heaveir than shingles.
Bernd
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I had a good look at my house and made it better, that's been up for over 100yrs :thumbup:
We don't get much snow here Bernd, a couple of inches at worst and that wouldn't last the day.
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Just to add another bit... My house roof is slate, 24x12's set on joists at 24" centres.... That was over the 100 years old!
Then I took the roof off and made a new one, all reclaimed slates went on the front (just over 50% saved used to match the neighbours) and spanish slate on the rear.... you can barely tell the difference... Except in the price!! These are set on joists that are made from 75x35mm pine and set at 600 centres.... lasted 5 winters so far! :)
John..... If a slate comes off and hits you edge on, it cuts you in half. It is then someone else's problem.
:lol:
interesting outlook you have :)
Slate will be used on some vertical walls by me.... When I get around to finishing off my house ::)
Ralph.
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Problem over here is that wood is still somewhat plentiful. As soon as you start to add any kind of stone to the house people think your rich. At least that's the impression I get.
A majority of the houses here are plastic (vinyl) siding. Goes up easy and dosen't cost much.
Still can't comprehend using 2 X 4 on 32 centers to hold up that weight. But then what do I know about house building. :lol:
Bernd
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Still can't comprehend using 2 X 4 on 32 centers to hold up that weight.
Bernd
Not using 32 centers Bernd? I'm using 16. :thumbup:
I wouldn't call wood here cheap, but stone is,free even, odd world init...
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Yep Yep Spanish curved tiles are the thing here... Or they were in the early 70s.
My parents just replaced the roof of thier house with Tarpaper shingles. Cost em 15K. The Spanish tile replacement dealio was gonna be 30K. They were told the tarpaper shingles were much better... sooo they went with em.
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Shingles over here is a bloody painful disease.
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I wouldn't call wood here cheap, but stone is,free even, odd world init...
Darren, I need a number for your supplier :scratch: we've just ordered 100 square yards and it's £65 + VAT per yard + delivery :hammer: ................ free sounds soooooo much better :clap:
As for roof slates, size of latts depends upon the span, 4"x2" at 16" centres with purlins at about 1.5m (5'-0") sounds fine, Bernd, the codes over here take into account average snow load of between 2 to 3 feet with allowances for drifting and build up in valleys etc. As for joist centres 16" was the standard for many years using 11/2" x 3/4" tiling battens and 3/8" thick plasterboard for the ceilings; during the 80's (I think ............ could have been the 70's) the joist centres were allowed to be increased up to 24" (600mm), obviously this meant an increase in joist size for traditional roof construction but very much suited trussed rafters ................ the bane of anyone who carries out loft conversions :hammer: ............. the other requirements are 2" x 1" tiling battens and 1/2" plasterboard beneath (that's 25mm x 50mm battens and 12.5mm plasterboard for those not stuck in the 60's with me) :smart: :coffee: :bugeye:
hth
CC
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Blimey, does anyone still sell it by the yard...... :nrocks:
Well I don't know what sort of stone you are buying? But we bought two 15 ton waggon loads last year for some groundwork.
Was 85 quid per load plus vat delivered......
Looks ok too...... :ddb:
I'm just about to order some finer stuf for concreting the garage floor, 15 ton again but a little dearer at about 120 the load.
The bigger the chunks the lower the cost. If you can get it yourself it's about 3 quid a ton.
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I just had stone delivered as a base for the concrete walk.
Crusher run it's called, and cost me $100 for 2.5 tons. More stone is actually cheaper per ton, as most of the cost is delivery.
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Looks like me getting the wrong end of the stick Darren :poke:
I think your talking about hardcore and I'm talking about reclaimed stone walling :scratch:
CC
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No doubt :doh:
OTOH, we can just collect all the stone we need, if it's local you want. Otherwise imported (from another area) can be quite expensive.
With my garage I only bought two pallets of blocks, the rest were free.....found most of them dumped on the roadside by the council. Been there for two years that I now about.
So I just tided the area up for them and re-organised the stack...... :)
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So I just tided the area them up for them and re-organised the stack...... :)
very public spirited of you mate :beer:
CC
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True story:-
British Sugar at Colwick got that fed up of people nicking sugar they put a new set of scales in for the trucks. Weighed in empty, less driver and weighed out full, again less driver so they knew to 1 Kg what the truck had on.
Now drivers are not thick whatever you think so they used to put about 20 house bricks in the cab, get weighed in, go round the corner, throw the bricks out, load up, get weighed out and then stop somewhere and take 40 kg of sugar off.
Later when they wanted to build a new warehouse the architects were looking round and one said "look you could save costs by reusing all these old bricks "...............
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One brick at a time :lol:
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A bit of sun works wonders... :ddb:
Started on the garage doors, got one done..... :)...just one to go.... :ddb:
Frame is 4x2 and the planks are t&g floorboards, all glued and fixed with pins through the tongues
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/thebodger/Garage/IMG_2273.jpg)
Top and bottom trimmed after construction to keep a straight line.
Frame 6x2 rawlbolted to the blocks, screwed to the gantry beam at the top and will be concreated in the floor at the bottom.
Nice heavy hinges rebated flush into the frame.
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/thebodger/Garage/IMG_2277.jpg)
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It`s looking good Darren! :thumbup:
The word is robust, I think...... :wave:
Pity we`re losing the good weather, after only a week. ::)
David D (Himself).
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Nice work Darren
It looks big enough for a tumble drier, or is it going to be a machine only zone
Stew (himself)
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Is a tumble dryer not a machine then Stew :scratch:
Darren, (never anyone else and rarely himself either)
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Darren.... Looking good, but one thing..... DO NOT, that is NOT concreate the frame legs into the floor....I take hundreds of these things out a year.
you see, the wood will wick the water up and rot faster than you can whistle dixie, and another thing, if you do want to alter /change anything in future it's a nightmare to get the bug£$rs out!!! :bang:
seriously, cut the legs so that they are suspended 3mm or so off the finished floor, they'll last a lot longer!
but as said, the doors are looking good... :thumbup:
Ralph.
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Agreed, when we moved in where we are now the workshop door frames were all rotten, dug them out and replaced then with some good reclaimed 6" x 2"
Only lasted about 12 years and these buggers went rotten. By that time the doors were going and they wanted highering anyway,
so supported the end of the building and stuck a big RSJ across. Put some 4" x 2" steel uprights in and then offered a 2" x 2" up to the side of it and welded 4 hinges onto it. Then welded the rest of the door onto the 2 x 2", did the same with the other door and surprise, surprise they fitted exact :clap:
Panelled in with 19mm exterior ply and a couple of braces in 2 x 2" steel.
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Noted chaps, I was thinking that the frame lowers would be in concrete with visqueen protecting from the damp.
But thinking about the comments, the frame is exposed to the outside elements and water will run down into the floor.
Thus almost permanently damp in that area.
They shall be felled "at once"
Thanks for the tip :thumbup:
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Nice work Darren
It looks big enough for a tumble drier, or is it going to be a machine only zone
Stew (himself)
My space....ALL MINE...... :) :) :)
No girlie rubbish allowed..... :ddb: :ddb: :ddb:
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How about scoring a few brownie points ?
"How about we put a small freezer in the new shop as an overflow from the main one? "
"I can bring stuff in and top the main one up "
Two things, get a chest freezer and you have a shelf and a fridge or freezer makes a shït hot dehumidifier because it throws heat out, not a lot but enough to keep everything above dew point hence no rust.
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How about a fridge frezer than you could put a few beers in the fridge.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Stew
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No Need fella's, it's all mine..... :dremel:
She has 3 kitchens, two utility rooms and all the space she needs.
Or she will have when my workshop has been moved out of the house....
Brownie point production is almost all over......just got to finish building them :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Bit of outside rendering today, the final finish coat. (apart from the paint)
Two scratch coats and the last one done today. Now done the neighbours side and the back wall. :ddb: :ddb: :ddb:
The pattern on the back may not be perfect, I was being eaten alive by midges. I have never in my life suffered so much by the blighters.
In my ears, my eyes, nose, lungs !! and the pain, I'm red sore now as I write this.
They came out suddenly when I was halfway through the back wall and I could not stop. It had to be finished or it would have spoilt.
Never again....!!!
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/thebodger/Garage/IMG_2280.jpg)
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/thebodger/Garage/IMG_2284.jpg)
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Nice work Darren and I am sure the neighbours will enjoy looking at your handiwork.
Now, about those midges, I dont know if they are like our (*&^%^ sandflies but these little chaps can pick a grown man to the bone in 3 minutes flat, however they do not like wind not even a little puff of a breeze so sometimes where these bligthers are a nuisance you might see someone working outdoors with a nice big electric fan running nearby!
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Midges the scurge of the camper, but there only Welsh Midges, there a bit tame compared to Scottish midges now they are man eaters.
Once saw a goup of German bickers on the Isle of Sky put up their tents in full leather gear including Balaclavas Helmets and vizors in the 30 deg C temperatures just to escape the midges:- we were sitting in a smokey pub enjoying the specticle:- midges hate smoke
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Stew
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Nice going with the rendering Darren :bow: ............... as for the midges :hammer:
CC
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Looking good darren :thumbup:
Midges....loads of species, only a few of them attack humans..... Sadly they are the ones most of us encounter!! :doh:
I think John has a point, they're too small to fight a stiff breeze!
Don't underestimate the Welsh midges Stew, little sods can indeed inflict major pain..... Camping trip to Cricketh 3 years ago, it was between the midges and the scousers as to who was the worst to deal with on the site! ::)
Still, back to the point... A bit of paint and it'll look like a new one Darren :)
Ralph.
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Why would I want a new midge?
:lol:
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Darren don't get me wrong but the camera perspective on that first photo (rendering) makes it look
like a miniature home for a garden gnome nestled in the bracken. Or maybe I need new glasses. :wave:
BR
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I suppose I should have moved those potted conifers out of the way, I was actually kneeling down to take that photo.... :lol:
You sussed it :clap:
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Very good job very well done there Darren! :clap:
As for midges, (Derbyshire variety). Herself is always bitten, while they ignore me....... :clap: :)
Can`t say I blame `em! :thumbup:
David D
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A little done to the frontage yesterday by cladding the top apex.
Two tiny pieces of timber short :bang:
All glued and pinned through the tongues....mind you, I suffered badly last night with my dodgy hip due to all the up and down the ladders.... :(
Nice to see it coming along though, need to add the last two bits and trim the bottom edge... :)
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/thebodger/Garage/IMG_2324.jpg)
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It's coming along real well now Darren, bet you can't wait to get in there.
Make the last job you do the piece of something fixed to the floor to seal the bottom of the doors against.
Get your machines in first, to save all the lifting hassle to get over it.
It was that bit that caused the major problems when I was getting the machines into my shop. It took us over an hour to get the mill over a 1" high piece of wood.
John
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Hi John,
My floor will be about 6" higher than the drive because my drive is a deep slope coming down to a flatter area. All the rain currently runs down the drive and into the garage.
I may put a storm Chanel drainage in front of the doors and a gentle slope up to the floor height. Also I have fitted a huge beam across the doorway for lifting heavy items in and indeed out of the trailer.
You're right, when I moved my lathe into the house I had to negotiate a 5mm step. You would not believe the difficulties this cause getting the lathe over it without being able to use any lifting gear... :bang:
I almost had to give up. Same problems will come getting it out again.... :doh:
I found sections of thin MDF helped.
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/thebodger/Garage/IMG_1659.jpg)
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Coming along beautifully!!!!
And it looks like two completely different garages, let alone PLACES between the recent pic.. and the bare one with just the rframing on the roof.
Gorgeous countryside.
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Thanks Spin,
I wanted to make a nice looking job of it, it's been quite a bit of work but we are getting there now. And yes the scenery here is amaizing.
Had 10 tons of agrigate delivered this moring. First job to level the floor. Then the insulation, waterproof membrane, reinforcing mesh and finally the underfloor heating pipes.
I didn't want the whole area heated as it would get too warm to work in and the edges would have machines and benches anyway. Didn't want to encourage any sweating.
As long as my feet arn't frozen in the winter that'll do me.... :)
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/thebodger/Garage/IMG_2376.jpg)
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/thebodger/Garage/IMG_2377.jpg)
start the actual concreting tomorrow :ddb:
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Underfloor heating!!!! In the workshop! :bugeye:
My dream of heaven....... :wave:
That will be pure, unadulterated pleasure during the winter.
VERY nice one Darren! :thumbup:
David D
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Now THAT is the way to make a workshop. Start from the beginning and put everything in that you want. Are you putting in 3 phase as well? Then that would be the real height of luxury.
That is going to be a great shop Darren.
John
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WOW UNDER FLOOR HEATING
Thats the height of luxuary.
Good on You Darren
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Stew
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What...!!
You mean you guys don't have underfloor heating in your workshops...in Britain.....
Oh dear..... :bugeye:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
John, having two 3 phase machines it might be an idea. I have a rotary converter for the 3ph and was considering putting it up in the loft area to cut down the noise a bit. Have the switching remotely from the workshop and run 3ph cabling to wall sockets dotted about.
I've been thinking of doing the same with 110V too, but that might start getting silly.
However the ruddy noisy compressor can go up there out the way and will run some lines around with water traps etc as I might get back into a bit of spraying at some point.
An external, or at least by the door air point for the car tyres and jet wash too....
I have also run water to the garage and may or may not put a small sink in with the obligitory kettle and stuff.... ::)
The whole place will be dry lined inside with king span equiv and boarded out.....heck, put a bed in the loft and I could move in..... :)
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Darren,
I once mounted a compressor above a ceiling. The boss went potty because he couldn't hear himself think, and I had to drag it down again. I even built a frame to hold it off the rafters. The ceiling acted like a large speaker cone. Bouncing the sound up to the factory ceiling and then down again onto the office block.:doh:
I have also mounted one way up on a wall in a factory, and it worked and sounded a dream. So the only thing to do would be to suck it and see.
If I could make a suggestion that would be a lot quieter. Build a box outside and put it in that, but feed the induction pipes from inside the shop so that it will be sucking mainly nice dry air. Also it won't be adding to the heat load in the summer.
When I feel more up to it, my compressor will be going out back, if only to stop me jumping when the damned thing kicks in.
Now is the time to definitely consider 3 phase, while you still have access to bury everything in the walls.
Having 3 phase is as good as printing money. You can usually pick up 3PH machinery much cheaper than you can 1PH.
I have no idea of the cost though, as your place would need to have it piped in I suppose, unless your mains is 3PH already and they are tapping 1PH off it.
John
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That is coming along nicely Darren! Gonna be a great shop. I need to tear down my shed and rebuild it like that.
Eric
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John, are you suggesting getting the utility company to supply 3ph?
That would be far too expensive to pipe in and the daily charge isn't cheap either. To add insult, if the supply gear goes down or need replacing they make it your responsibility.
Then there is the fact that they have to inform the council of all 3ph instalations, who then re-rate your propery for business accordingly. next comes along the tax man to find out why you have not registered your buisiness. Spotting all you industrial machinery whilst you blabber away to deaf ears something about hobbies and wanting to cut metal for mere fun.....
Nope, I'll stick to single phase and my rotary converter.....If I need more I'll commision the Lister..... :thumbup:
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Vibrations, big boards.... :bang: :bang: :bang:, being into acoustics why didn't that occur to me.....
Thanks John, I have no doubts you are correct here.... :clap:
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So wait......
:scratch:
You insulate you floor.... and ADD heat??
Hmm been below the "south" for too long. This adding heat thing... puzzles me.
Its 10:45PM and I heard a horn beeping and getting louder, then a BOOM... CRUUUUUNCH.. combined with a scraping.. and a VROOOOOM... followed by more beeping. I promptly shucked on shoes.. went outside with um.. a article not permitted across the pond... and saw a truck leaking oil and tranny fluid, driven by some dumb**s teens barreling down the road 4 intersections away. (in the last 18 years we have had a drunk crash into houses in the area 3 different times..)
Thing is... its 92 outside.. and the humidity is enough that the cars are all damp on top....
So to ADD heat.... makes me get light headed.
Time to look for a job someplace where it isnt so hot.
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So wait......
:scratch:
You insulate you floor.... and ADD heat??
Hmm been below the "south" for too long. This adding heat thing... puzzles me.
Its 10:45PM and I heard a horn beeping and getting louder, then a BOOM... CRUUUUUNCH.. combined with a scraping.. and a VROOOOOM... followed by more beeping. I promptly shucked on shoes.. went outside with um.. a article not permitted across the pond... and saw a truck leaking oil and tranny fluid, driven by some dumb**s teens barreling down the road 4 intersections away. (in the last 18 years we have had a drunk crash into houses in the area 3 different times..)
Thing is... its 92 outside.. and the humidity is enough that the cars are all damp on top....
So to ADD heat.... makes me get light headed.
Time to look for a job someplace where it isnt so hot.
OT... you just gave one of the reasons I moved from Florida.
Eric
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I can now see why old people move there, me...I'd die within weeks with that heat... :lol:
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Daren, yes put the water in for the jug etc, but more importantly put in a laundry tub so you can wash stuff and also save dirty handprints in the indoors bathroom etc! I found a surplus kitchen unit and put it in my workshop only thing I wish is that the taps were higher so that I could get a bucket filled etc.
Hot and cold running water in the workshop, must have! :thumbup:
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Hi John, yes a sink would be a good idea, shame I have just thrown one out :bang:
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You don't have to worry about the floor being too hot. Assuming the rest of the building has good insulation the floor will be barely warm to the touch to give a nice comfortable air termperature. I set my thermostat to 59F during the winter, and found that resulting air temp was quite comfortable for working in shirtsleeves. Keep the doors closed! You might consider putting some insulation onto the inside of the doors. Regardless of whether the edges of the floor have tube, the concrete will still need to be heated, so it's actually better to distribute the tubing evenly across the entire area.
There is some advantage in using two interwoven loops rather than a single loop, and the water is cooled less at the ends when the loops are shorter. Main thing is to limit any single loop to less than 200'.
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.....heck, put a bed in the loft and I could move in..... :)
And why not, .......... your New Workshop is about the size of my house :lol:
Nice work Darren, I agree mate, you might as well put it all in now :headbang: ........... as for the compressor how about a well insulated, small compressor size shed outside at the back
CC
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Thought it was about time I threw in a couple of updates...
The outside rendering is almost finished, just smooth areas under the bells on a couple of walls and it's done.
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/thebodger/Garage/IMG_3182.jpg)
And a peek inside. It's a mess cos nothing is organised as I need to finish insulating and dry lining the walls. One wall is almost done but lack of funds has slowed the progress... :(
(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/thebodger/Garage/IMG_3179.jpg)
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Fair do's Darren, you're sure motoring on now :clap:
Looks like a few weeks/month-ish and you'll have a very nice shop to "play" in :ddb:
I'll have to get my lazy a$$ over there and see how you and it are doing :thumbup:
Ralph.
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Welcome any time Ralph..... :beer: :beer:
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Darren,
That`s taking shape nicely...... :clap:
David D
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Free Space envy (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-ashamed001.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Looking good Darren, just keep thinking about all the insulation and under floor heating for next winter and it will all be worth it :med:
CC
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Re my earlier post to this thread,
I can't see no gnomes singing "Hi Ho, Hi Ho, It's off to WORK we go" ::)
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I ate them.....all seven, but saved their friend........
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Looking good Darren.
Eric