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Title: Vacuum tube amp build
Post by: WeldingRod on January 10, 2019, 09:23:26 AM
Now that I have a functioning loaner computer, its time to get serious about a build log!
 My son and I are building a vacuum tube guitar amplifier.  I've built semiconductor amplifiers, but always had some interest in vacuum tubes (and my dad built some when he was a kid).  The whole guitar "I WANT distortion" is kind of weird for me too.  But, its shop time for me and Carl!

 To get started, we did some CAD.  IE, Cardboard Assisted Design ;-)

After some layout work, we had a full size amp box and started thinking about where the guts go.

 Nothing like full scale to get a feel for something!  FYI, the CANARY cardboard shears from Amazon are OMG great!
 The black rectangle on the right  is the vacuum tube equivalent of a PCB; a turret board.  Hoffman Amplifiers came through with a whole slew of parts; the BOM for a Fender Champ plus some stuff to get to a Princeton (adds a tone control).  Carl and I both liked the idea of the Vox attenuator (switchable output power of 4, 1, and 1/4 Watt).  The reason this is cool is that you can get the over-driven sound without frying your (or your Dad's) ears.  Vox's design was for a 16 Ohm speaker, but I was easily able to modify it to 8 Ohm.  And, go to a proper film capacitor (white cylinder) rather than those foolish back to back electrolytic combinations!.  He also dreams of a "gain control", whatever that is.  Thus, we have a knob without a plan ;-)

 Vacuum tube stuff is kind of weird relative to what I've done before!  This is a photo of my last speaker build (back in the 90's).  I built the preamp with the crossover for bi-amplification, and a special filter for a 4th or 5th order alignment on the bass section (I can't remember the official term now).  Basically, you design the speaker and enclosure with a complementary electrical filter so that the combination has flat response to a lower frequency that you could get with just the speaker/enclosure combination.  I used an isobaric configuration (two woofers per enclosure with a short tube between them); this improved the "Spouse Acceptance Factor" by cutting the enclosure size in half.  Even though she wasn't my spouse yet, I was planning ahead!  The black enclosure is the 150 Watt per channel amp I built to go with it.  The other amp is for the mid/tweeter.  Anyway, historic stuff for reference
Title: Re: Vacuum tube amp build
Post by: WeldingRod on January 10, 2019, 09:26:39 AM
Based on the cardboard, I figured out what the enclosure needed to look like.

Carl dreamed up a metal grille for the speaker based on a carpet pattern, and I got it plasma cut.

I modified my 3 in 1 sheet metal machine so I could hang stuff out the ends and progressively bend it.  The tension bars were cast iron (WTF???), so super easy to machine.  I, um broke one the first time I tried it on 16 gauge SST.  I got fresh 5/8" plates cut, machined holes, and then found out that I had missed by about 0.1" on the center to center, so the shear didn't work right.  Scream.  My favorite work welders let me use their bender...
Title: Re: Vacuum tube amp build
Post by: WeldingRod on January 10, 2019, 09:28:56 AM
And yes, this is going to look a bit steampunk-y soon ;-)
 Lots of quality time fettling the (temporary) front panel to fit the various jacks, pots, meter, etc.

Amazon shipped my 1/8" PCB stock via USPS.  Somebody (who has to remain nameless since I don't know who) marked the dratted thing as delivered, then held onto it for an extra week before finally delivering it.  Still, we got to get stuff screwed in place.

And start soldering with the SERIOUS soldering tool  ;-)  For bonus fun, the tip broke the next day.  Turns out 16 gauge house wire works just fine...

The front panel is fiddly...  My fancy cloth covered wire is a bit big for the attenuator switch lugs.

Title: Re: Vacuum tube amp build
Post by: WeldingRod on January 10, 2019, 09:30:59 AM
Carl wanted to etch a pattern into the front panel so it could glow.  Quality time with tape, a protractor, knife, and scriber:

 Here's post-etch, with some of the tape scraped off.

 Stuck on the chassis with a couple of 6-32 -HEX- screws.  Yes, they make them!

 And with some battery powered LEDs stuck in there for a light check.  Gotta get brighter ones for sure, but it will look cool on a darkened stage!  Assuming Carl gets to that point.  Pretty likely, as he seems to have already formed a sort of "empty rent house" band.  Yes, it includes plastic buckets for percussion and a saxophone.  They've recenty recruited a keyboard player.  Work with what you've got ;-)
Title: Re: Vacuum tube amp build
Post by: WeldingRod on January 10, 2019, 09:31:27 AM
Here's a rough idea of what its going to look like with the grille.  We are going to run wires down one of the grille bars and light up the speaker cone with some blue leds too.  Yes, its one of the two dummy front panels...
Title: Re: Vacuum tube amp build
Post by: Blurbillon on January 10, 2019, 11:47:17 AM
Excellent! I build Hi-Fi stuff myself but I have built a 1W flea amp for guitar as well. In fact I have one tube amp project waiting for a few small final touches. I have a few pictures of my amp builds on my website.

In case you haven't already, check out Uncle Doug on Youtube. He specializes on tube guitar amps. Mr. Carlson's lab is another great resource, and of course the DIY Audio forum tubes/valves section.
Title: Re: Vacuum tube amp build
Post by: Alphawolf45 on January 10, 2019, 03:23:40 PM
 I like that you are doing a project with your son.
    I have rebuilt a few OLD tube amplifiers but I have never built one. I presume you use a solid state power supply and pair of tubes in the output - am I close? Push /pull on the Speaker? I don't have a clue how the new stuff works so I will watch with interest.
Title: Re: Vacuum tube amp build
Post by: WeldingRod on January 10, 2019, 07:10:39 PM
Its shockingly simple.  Silicon rectifier (in a tube socket so we could switch), two section input triode, single power pentode tube.  Its single ended all the way.  Power and output transformers

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Title: Re: Vacuum tube amp build
Post by: WeldingRod on January 13, 2019, 08:16:53 PM
Got the filament.wiring run, and the high voltage rectifier.  The led backlight works now!(

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Title: Re: Vacuum tube amp build
Post by: Brass_Machine on January 14, 2019, 10:32:22 AM
Oooh I like this. I have been wanting to build a tube amplifier for a long time! Watching this one!
Title: Re: Vacuum tube amp build
Post by: RotarySMP on January 14, 2019, 11:56:10 AM
Very cool project. I built a MADAMP A15 kit a few years ago. Sounds great. I like how you let your son live his design impulses. Understatement come later :)
Title: Re: Vacuum tube amp build
Post by: Alphawolf45 on January 14, 2019, 02:25:46 PM
   Tube type electronics was my obsession for at least 20 years. Upstairs in my machine shop I have a 20 by 20 foot room stacked with stuff and a 20 by 20 foot deck up there holding some overflow..And my house is full.... I sold 75,000 tubes on ebay years ago just to get rid of them......However , despite all that and more , I never built anything , only repaired... Weldingrod, you do neat work and you don't know how much I respect that. :) :)
Title: Re: Vacuum tube amp build
Post by: WeldingRod on February 04, 2019, 01:27:38 PM
I've finally got progress to report!

We powered up and got glowing tubes!   :beer:

However... only the tiniest hint of sound.   :zap:

After running the ground wire to the front panel and knobs (d'oh), we got... not much of anything.

More careful inspection and thinking.  Measuring (what a thought).  Wait, that 470 Ohm 5 Watt resistor should have actual voltage across it!  Oops, I ran the red lead of the output transformer to ground, not high voltage.   :doh:

Ok, after fixing THAT, I powered up and was greeted by...wait for it... LOUD oscillation.  Scream.   :bang:

More looking, poking, fiddling.  Thinking.  And, most crucially, surfing the web.  I got a couple of ideas, and disconnected the feedback.  The oscillation went away!  Of course, all the sound went away too, so not totally optimal.  But, it got me suspicious that the output transformer phasing might be backwards.  Sure enough, swapping leads led to actual functionality!   :)

I do have to admit that the photo of a guitar plugged in is from when it wasn't really working...  Gotta get Carl and the guitar back out to the shop.

I'm still fiddling with the meter; Carl wants it to move when things are playing.  It doesn't actually need to display anything useful or quantitative, just look cool!  Thus, I hooked it across said power resistor.  With some fiddling and capacitors, I got something that bounces nicely with the beat.  However, when I bought the final parts and, um, added a couple of things... it didn't work.  More fiddling.
Title: Re: Vacuum tube amp build
Post by: WeldingRod on February 17, 2019, 07:35:34 PM
Progress!  We cut cellulose composite material (plywood) yesterday, glued up, and routed.  Carl has been filling and sanding while I girl scouted (I'm the troop leader, many dimensions of weird).
It's just a test fit, still needs grill cloth and Tollex.(

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Title: Re: Vacuum tube amp build
Post by: WeldingRod on February 25, 2019, 01:10:25 PM
Almost done!  Sunday was "learn to Tollex" day!  I'm frankly amazed at how well and easily it went, especially after reading the instructions that said "and don't start with fancy snakeskin; you want black!"  Many hours of gluing later...  Lots of fiddly cuts and masking where the contact cement gets painted.  Another skill to add to the set.  Water based contact cement is pretty cool stuff!
And a beauty shot!  There's a bar behind the grill and grill cloth that has an LED strip shining on the cone.  Yes, the control panel is glowing too.
 It still needs amp corners, feet, and, maybe, actual labels on the controls ;-)
 The meter jumps around nicely when he's playing too.  I am, as they say in Britain, chuffed!  And I actually got some smiles out of my teenager!
Title: Re: Vacuum tube amp build
Post by: raynerd on February 25, 2019, 02:49:21 PM
Thatís a great build! Thanks for sharing.